The New UK NPPL
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Formation Flyer
The full NPPL sylabus can be found on the AOPA website which is at
http://www.aopa.co.uk/
This should clear up what is and isn't covered! My impression is that this syllabus is just for starters and that changes will occur over the years.
The full NPPL sylabus can be found on the AOPA website which is at
http://www.aopa.co.uk/
This should clear up what is and isn't covered! My impression is that this syllabus is just for starters and that changes will occur over the years.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: too near London
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
FF ring up the PFA 01273 461616 and they'll be able to help with the syllabus
QNH you are, of course, absolutely right about the NPPL, I do believe it is the start of something good but let's not get too excited about overstating the opportunities in its current form e.g.Latest PFA mag: " without doubt the new NPPL will open up opportunities to pilot training for a new generation of pilots. Cheaper and easier to obtain and retain......"
Now, if we could just get rid of the Licensed Field/fire cover requirement....
3QDM I'll take your word for it, but I suspect you do yourself a disservice
Memo to self: Stop banging on about NPPL
QNH you are, of course, absolutely right about the NPPL, I do believe it is the start of something good but let's not get too excited about overstating the opportunities in its current form e.g.Latest PFA mag: " without doubt the new NPPL will open up opportunities to pilot training for a new generation of pilots. Cheaper and easier to obtain and retain......"
Now, if we could just get rid of the Licensed Field/fire cover requirement....
3QDM I'll take your word for it, but I suspect you do yourself a disservice
Memo to self: Stop banging on about NPPL
Join Date: May 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks for the info.
Released 24 June 2002. In good time for organisations to view it then....
The syllabus is um 'interesting' (if it were in the Comedy Store I would be laughing...put it that way). Lets see: S&L currently we spend 2 hrs teaching S&L over 2 lessons - one of the most important things you will ever learn...now they want exactly the same but over 1:00 instead...
um..pardon? How is that supposed to work then?
Now im just confused...can someone now post a link giving instructors a guide on how the hell we are supposed to teach the same amount in lower times....remember it takes 15-20 mins out of every lesson in taxying, TO & transiting to and from the training area.....so....they now want S&L1 & S&L2 both in about 40minutes.....yep sure I can show you once you may just about practice once but Ill have to hurry you to complete in that time....um...lets face it - that isnt workable...
Other opinions...?
FF
Released 24 June 2002. In good time for organisations to view it then....
The syllabus is um 'interesting' (if it were in the Comedy Store I would be laughing...put it that way). Lets see: S&L currently we spend 2 hrs teaching S&L over 2 lessons - one of the most important things you will ever learn...now they want exactly the same but over 1:00 instead...
um..pardon? How is that supposed to work then?
Now im just confused...can someone now post a link giving instructors a guide on how the hell we are supposed to teach the same amount in lower times....remember it takes 15-20 mins out of every lesson in taxying, TO & transiting to and from the training area.....so....they now want S&L1 & S&L2 both in about 40minutes.....yep sure I can show you once you may just about practice once but Ill have to hurry you to complete in that time....um...lets face it - that isnt workable...
Other opinions...?
FF
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: South Yorkshire
Posts: 504
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
And in plenty of time for them to understand the new rules so that they can be explained to any enquirers who have been given short shrift by the CAA (see
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=59078 !)
So far as I can see, the lower number of hours required for the NPPL is just a sop to schools who may be scratching for students, and need to convince newbies that the path isn't long/expensive.
In reality, an instructor will teach S&L until the student has made the required progress - probably after 2 hours. So the NPPL course will take 43 hours instead of the JAAs 45, and the NPPL pilot will probably not fly for the next 12 months because the money they had budgetted for flying had to be spent on training. And all because they were not given a straight story.
Progress?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=59078 !)
So far as I can see, the lower number of hours required for the NPPL is just a sop to schools who may be scratching for students, and need to convince newbies that the path isn't long/expensive.
In reality, an instructor will teach S&L until the student has made the required progress - probably after 2 hours. So the NPPL course will take 43 hours instead of the JAAs 45, and the NPPL pilot will probably not fly for the next 12 months because the money they had budgetted for flying had to be spent on training. And all because they were not given a straight story.
Progress?
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 407
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
FF
All I can offer by way of reduced time is that if (and a big if) the NPPL is capable of being instructed at non licenced airfields in uncontrolled airspace there may be a saving on taxi and transit time. Beyond that we have to assume that a lower competency level is regarded as satisfactory unless you have a student who can achieve the required standard in less time. When I gained my PPL I had to fly around four hours at the end of the course doing whatever I wanted even after some pre IMC additional use of instruments training. Not trying to prove that I was a smart a**e but that some people will be able to achieve the required standard in less than the current required hours. Unfortunately I suspect those who progress rapidly will want to go beyond the NPPL so the advantage falls away. Oh well I will just have to try and find another argument beyond 'lower capability' pilots.
All I can offer by way of reduced time is that if (and a big if) the NPPL is capable of being instructed at non licenced airfields in uncontrolled airspace there may be a saving on taxi and transit time. Beyond that we have to assume that a lower competency level is regarded as satisfactory unless you have a student who can achieve the required standard in less time. When I gained my PPL I had to fly around four hours at the end of the course doing whatever I wanted even after some pre IMC additional use of instruments training. Not trying to prove that I was a smart a**e but that some people will be able to achieve the required standard in less than the current required hours. Unfortunately I suspect those who progress rapidly will want to go beyond the NPPL so the advantage falls away. Oh well I will just have to try and find another argument beyond 'lower capability' pilots.
