ADF? DME? Part.NCO?
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ADF? DME? Part.NCO?
If one would purchase a new GA aircraft and is going to fly IFR all Europe - including Eastern, Swiss and down to North Africa - say a G1000 blinkyplane, does it need ADF and DME and in case if, how would this be done, remote boxes or alien-like separate boxes in such a Star Trek cockpit?
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I believe you need it if you it's necessary for the airspace or approach you're going to do. I assume a new spangly plane would be certified to some degree for PBN with a GNSS so would have what's necessary for all airspace. Perhaps a third world airport might not have a cleared PBN approach and only has an NDB so for IFR you need the ADF to go there but otherwise no. UK NATS is getting rid of most NDB so you'll need some other form of approved navigation aid to go IFR (and be able to tolerate failure of any single system). So singular GPS won't cut it.
Reference is NCO.IDE.A.195 Navigation equipment.
requirements for an instrument rating? different kettle of fish
You can integrate an ADF into glass easily. I've flown quite a few with them seemlessly piped in like any other navigation feed.
Reference is NCO.IDE.A.195 Navigation equipment.
requirements for an instrument rating? different kettle of fish
You can integrate an ADF into glass easily. I've flown quite a few with them seemlessly piped in like any other navigation feed.
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If one would purchase a new GA aircraft and is going to fly IFR all Europe - including Eastern, Swiss and down to North Africa - say a G1000 blinkyplane, does it need ADF and DME and in case if, how would this be done, remote boxes or alien-like separate boxes in such a Star Trek cockpit?
"If you are buying a glass cockpit equipped IFR GA aircraft, does it need an ADF if touring across Europe and North Africa? If so how do you integrate such an archaic bit of avionics into such a cockpit?".
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The reason behind is that I lost overview with EASA and local xAA regulations. Wasn't the whole idea of Europe, get it standardized? Flying N-reg I am used to "in lieu of" mechanisms, but which country in Europe does it this way and which not?
I understand there are DME remote boxes certified for G1000 connection (including NXi or not?), but ADF boxes only offer limited connectivity and will be ancient relics in a modern cockpit?
I understand there are DME remote boxes certified for G1000 connection (including NXi or not?), but ADF boxes only offer limited connectivity and will be ancient relics in a modern cockpit?
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.........and many approaches are not available without DME.
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.........and many approaches are not available without DME.
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The king KN63 remote DME ( probably the cheapest ) among others integrate with the G 1000 & G500/600.
The G1000 can integrate with ADF, I think the remote unit do from Becker the G500 / 600 will display ADF from a panel mounted KR87 ( best if you get the variant with Superflag output.
The G1000 can integrate with ADF, I think the remote unit do from Becker the G500 / 600 will display ADF from a panel mounted KR87 ( best if you get the variant with Superflag output.
Just in terms of practical reality, and I know how much people hate it - there are still a great many airports where ADF is the only game in town.
DME is there for many things, but GPS will do that quite adequately for you (with the obvious advisory to de-allow for slant when distances to the beacon are relatively small).
Obviously ILS for precision approaches.
So, I'd say that the real-world essentials are ADF, ILS, GPS. When GPS goes tits-up, as it does occasionally, VOR is your best bet for en-route navigation, and VOR approaches do exist. You can live without DME, but I'd not remove it if its already there.
Of course, if everything's integrated into a screen, life is easier - although as a natural paranoid where technology is concerned, something not reliant on that one screen is certainly nice to have - but that can be an iPad or equivalent handheld GPS moving map.
In summary, my opinion.
Essential: ADF, ILS, GPS
Nice to have: DME, VOR (Of course, you're highly unlikely to have ILS without VOR anyhow).
Backup: handheld / secondary GPS.
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DME is there for many things, but GPS will do that quite adequately for you (with the obvious advisory to de-allow for slant when distances to the beacon are relatively small).
Obviously ILS for precision approaches.
So, I'd say that the real-world essentials are ADF, ILS, GPS. When GPS goes tits-up, as it does occasionally, VOR is your best bet for en-route navigation, and VOR approaches do exist. You can live without DME, but I'd not remove it if its already there.
Of course, if everything's integrated into a screen, life is easier - although as a natural paranoid where technology is concerned, something not reliant on that one screen is certainly nice to have - but that can be an iPad or equivalent handheld GPS moving map.
In summary, my opinion.
Essential: ADF, ILS, GPS
Nice to have: DME, VOR (Of course, you're highly unlikely to have ILS without VOR anyhow).
Backup: handheld / secondary GPS.
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GTE.
I think VOR is a must really... Not sure why you haven't put it on the essential list, if you put ADF on there. All the airports I normally fly to, although they offer "vectors for the ILS" where there is one - there is generally a VOR/DME procedure to follow as a backup to ATC / when their radar gets serviced to lead you to the ILS!
I've been to a few places which only had VOR/DME approaches.... So really - kinda important.
Albeit of course you can follow all those things on glass... Of course...!
I think VOR is a must really... Not sure why you haven't put it on the essential list, if you put ADF on there. All the airports I normally fly to, although they offer "vectors for the ILS" where there is one - there is generally a VOR/DME procedure to follow as a backup to ATC / when their radar gets serviced to lead you to the ILS!
I've been to a few places which only had VOR/DME approaches.... So really - kinda important.
Albeit of course you can follow all those things on glass... Of course...!
