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Old 6th Feb 2018, 14:37
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Clareprop ".....I think any reasonable person reading his various essay's would conclude that they are written in a style of someone who has a problem...."

Hilariously..... No. Being closer to things down here we know of more to list of what he does, that seems totally bizarre - we stop holding our breath ....but he has been under the most intense scrutiny by psychiatrists and they see him as not having a problem.

EU human rights law focuses on how the power of the state is used over the individual. In this case Maurice is not allowed to say the truth or have his human rights and there is no where for him to complain.

Elements of the UK Judiciary do not like EU law and have what is called 'judicial public policy' that arguably contradicts EU Human Rights because they see their duty to support a professional or decision maker when making decisions on behalf of the state.

In this case Maurice was prosecuted under the NHS zero tolerance. I was called to the Wales Audit Office to meet their senior staff. The Head of Dept who was there at the meeting was/is a Magistrate at the Court which convicted Maurice. That Magistrate working at Wales Audit Office told me that those who brought the NHS Zero Tolerance prosecution did so by ignoring NHS Zero tolerance protocols (rules). By which they cannot start a prosecution until they have gone through a sequence of warnings with opportunity to address issues or grievances a patient may have.

If they had acted in accordance with the rules that places Data Protection on the negotiation table with a legal duty to correct records to be processed in a way that is fair true and accurate.

If those who brought the prosecution had acted reasonably to the rules and lawfully then arguably this whole matter would not exist. But Maurice has no where to complain

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Old 6th Feb 2018, 15:02
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There is some excellent concise background in this UK Guardian article.

I fought the law: meet the super-litigants
Some people who represent themselves in court spend months, even years, battling for justice. So why do they go on?


Maurice Kirk, vet

“I’ve been a litigant in person for more than 20 years,” says 71-year- old Maurice Kirk. “My cases have taken over my life. They’ve cost me my family, my health and my qualifications as a veterinary surgeon. Twenty years – I never thought it would last this long.”

Kirk, a qualified pilot who recently flew across Africa in a vintage air rally, says he’s currently fighting “about 15” court cases. Twelve are part of his 24-year dispute with South Wales police. He admits he has become obsessive about taking the police to court. “But I won’t give up because I know I’m right,” he says. The legal battles stem from “a campaign of harassment and bullying” which he says started in 1992, when he moved to Barry in the Vale of Glamorgan to open a veterinary practice.


“I was constantly stopped for motoring offences,” he says. He admits there were also high-speed car chases and a fine for resisting a police officer. Stung by what he saw as continued injustice, following previous run-ins with the police in Guernsey, Kirk started to go to court to get his convictions overturned.

“I was forced to be a litigant in person because the lawyers I employed proved thoroughly disappointing,” he says.
Kirk blamed South Wales police when he was removed from the register of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons (RCVS) in 2002 for unprofessional behaviour. The RCVS cited his 11 convictions among the reasons for striking him off. Kirk applied to go back on the RCVS register several times, always representing himself at hearings. They turned him down.
He changed tactics. “I thought if I could prove the police had treated me badly, I might be able to go back on the register as a vet,” he says. He decided to sue South Wales police for damages, but preparations were interrupted when he was charged with the illegal possession and sale of a Lewis machine gun.
Kirk, who already had convictions for assault, spent eight months on remand until a Cardiff Crown Court trial in 2010. He defended himself. The jury found him not guilty.
The damages case came to court in 2013. “I’d been preparing for this since the 90s,” says Kirk. “There were a lot of witnesses to find and interview. I hired a private investigator to trace some of them.”
Kirk represented himself in 47 days of hearings. He was allowed damages for two of 33 incidents, but the judge ruled there was no conspiracy. Kirk is preparing an appeal. South Wales police said: “It would be inappropriate to comment” as proceedings were continuing.”https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...uper-litigants
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 15:02
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Is it possible that this whole matter would also not exist if Maurice had handled things differently?
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 15:58
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This sounds an awful lot like the story of a former good friend of mine. He ran a successful business had a very nice long term partner a nice house etc. and life was good until he had a run in with the cops and for some reason became obsessed with the rights of sovereign citizens and convinced himself it was unconstitutional for the US government to collect taxes from him or require he have a valid drivers licence when operating a vehicle. After dozens of run-ins with the cops resulting in many brief jail stints he now posts videos of himself outside courthouses and driving license offices protesting and arguing with the police. They’ve sent him for court ordered mental evaluations that come back showing no issues, the cops have even taken out a restraining order against him visiting the cop shop without legitimate business. The bottom line, it has completely taken over his life, his partner, business & friends are gone and he’s now homeless but still incessantly pushes this sovereign citizen/ anti cop stuff to anyone who will listen.
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I met Maurice Kirk a couple of times, seemed a nice guy totally absorbed in flying but with total disregard for authority in any form. A similar insouciance was shown by his brother Michael, again a really nice man provided that CAA, police etc were not around. He seemed to have a natural antipathy for any form of discipline.

Michael frightened the living daylights out of me on one occasion, after which I stayed well clear whenever he was aviating. While the authorities were remarkably tolerant of his eccentricities/lawbreaking, Sir Isaac Newton was not; Michael killed himself by flying into a Co. Antrim hillside in low cloud, fortunately his passenger escaped with injuries.

While respecting Maurice's determination and undoubted talents (I know what a veterinary qualification involves) I think some people should not be granted a pilot's licence in the interests of others if not themselves. A sad story.
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Oh dear

Maurice was sectioned in 2009 because of his behaviour in court. The transcript is quite clear that the judge gave him more than ample opportunity to make his case. But MK, as usual, misbehaved.

The judge decided that he needed a psych evaluation and put him under section. MK refused to cooperate. He could have been out in less than 28days but his behaviour meant he stayed 3 times as long - whose fault was that?

All the reports on MK were heavily caveated, but because he disagreed with them he picked on the trick cyclist and has abused and harrassed him and others for 9 years.

He does have a strongly held belief that he has been victimised, but his behaviour over this period and before does support the doctor's view.

The authorities have more important things to do than persecute MK. The RCVS has explained in great detail why they won't accept any more communication from him, as does the ECHR. But he keeps on revisiting past cases he can never win.

He has caused the taxpayers (you and I) massive cost and effort just because of his diva-like behaviour. I hear he is now on hunger strike - again. It won't help his early release and is likely to reduce his life expectancy. Whose choice is that?

He may be a pilot of note, but is definitely a PIA and I look forward to not hearing about him until 2020
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Although I agree with some points that Robin says, each point is not that simple. For example in the NHS cases, we start with a background that during this same era there were around 100 very decent people who were meeting in hotels, to allege that staff at the same ABMU NHS falsified NHS records and that those in authority were even adversarial to decent people who complained. I think three or more ABMU NHS clinical staff have already been convicted in the same criminal courts as Maurice.

The authorities are individuals just like the public. Some are well behaved. Some are not.

What happens when those in the authorities who are not well behaved meet Maurice ?

What if some of those who Maurice is in dispute with, are in some ways similar to Maurice ?
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For example in the NHS cases, we start with a background that during this same era there were around 100 very decent people who were meeting in hotels, to allege that staff at the same ABMU NHS falsified NHS records and that those in authority were even adversarial to decent people who complained. I think three or more ABMU NHS clinical staff have already been convicted in the same criminal courts as Maurice.
Where is the evidence for this - can you show us the source material?

Here's some evidence of MK's behaviour in court - you'll note his closing argument to the recorder is to throw his files at him upon which he is arrested for contempt. One of the premises of Kirk's case on this occasion was that his scans showed he had brain cancer and this was being hidden from the court. On the basis the hearing was eight years ago, it would seem that he was incorrect.

Apologies for the length:
IN THE CROWN COURT Indictment No T20107454
AT CARDIFF
The Law Courts
Cathays Park
Cardiff
CF10 3PG
24th June 2010
Before
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF
HIS HONOUR JUDGE NICHOLAS COOKE QC
_____________________
REGINA
-vMAURICE
KIRK
_____________________
MR COBBE appeared on behalf of the Prosecution
THE DEFENDANT appeared in person
_____________________
APPLICATION
_____________________

24th June 2010
APPLICATION
(11.02 am)
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: I will start with Mr Cobbe, Mr Kirk, because I
may not have to trouble you very much, because I am going to order the disclosure of
documents, I believe. I have only asked for it to be listed because it did not seem I should
deal with it administratively and also so that I could explain what I do have on the court file. I
have been through it myself and the court staff have been through it.
I have received a letter – I am dealing with this in chambers because it involves Mr
Kirk’s mental and physical health and has nothing to do with the public, there is no
substantive criminal proceedings, there has been some contact with the office and I have been
shown a letter from a consultant anaesthetist in which he makes the reasonable point as
follows: “I am not able to undertake his anaesthetic care because of the conflicting medical
information that I have received. On the basis of imaging reports available to me, Mr Kirk
has bilateral multiple small cerebral ischemic foci. There was no evidence of any spaceoccupying
lesion. I believe the CT scan of the head was performed in December 2009.
However, I received conflicting information from Mr Kirk who has “heard” from the Crown
Prosecution Service. This information includes words such as tumour and cancer in the
brain.”
I interrupt my reading to indicate straightaway that there is absolutely nothing about
any cancer or tumour in the brain in any reports which the court holds. I have seen no such
material.
“As I have not had all the medical information available to me, I am unable to make a
judgment and take on Mr Kirk’s anaesthetic care. Leave this matter with Mr Kirk to either

pursue further investigations through his general practitioner or obtain written reports to
resolve this conflicting situation.”
Now all I can do, which I will do, is to order the disclosure of all the reports that the
court has and I have made a bundle up and I will order them to be photocopied, but that is all I
can do, there is no other proceedings before me, but they do not include any reference to such
things. There is a quotation from a report prepared by, I had better get the terminology right, a
neuropsychologist, which is included in one of Tegwyn Williams’ reports, but no copy of the
neuropsychologist’s report itself appears on the court file and there were clearly radiological
investigations undertaken, but those reports are not on the court file and I was not the trial
judge, I did not deal with the fitness to plead. Had I been dealing with the fitness to plead, I
might well have asked for such reports, but there is no evidence that anybody did and the
matter was resolved in Mr Kirk’s favour and therefore nothing arises, so any pursuit of those
reports would have to be through separate proceedings, but I do not think I have the power to
do anything else and Mr Kirk is clearly entitled to what I have got, and that is why, subject to
anything you say, Mr Cobbe, I order it.
MR COBBE: No, thank you, my Lord.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: Well, I order the disclosure of everything I have got.
MR KIRK: That is the very (inaudible). I have the transcript here saying that I have
cancer.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: I have not seen that, Mr Kirk.
MR KIRK: No, you have not seen the neuropsychologist’s report, who has rewritten the
document, trying to hide the information that Dr Tegwyn Williams told the judge on 2nd
December, his Honour Judge Bidder QC, for half an hour, saying that I was mad, bad and dangerous to know and that I was to be transferred to Ashworth Psychiatric Hospital. I served
on this court the transcript of the 2nd
...
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: Mr Kirk, this is ...
MR KIRK: You are trying to wash this under the carpet. We knew you would do this. I
have come with the documents ...
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: I am not, Mr Kirk, I have only been asked to disclose
documents to assist your anaesthetist and I have indicated everything we have got will be
disclosed and I have made the bundle up.
MR KIRK: I am giving you what he has not got.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: Well, if you have got it, you do not need it from me.
MR KIRK: I want you to confirm, because the transcript has been doctored. The official
Cardiff transcript has been doctored. They waited until Tegwyn Williams stopped talking and
then they switched it on. But this Mr Tumbledown, CPS Tumbledown, he says that Mr
Tegwyn Williams believes I have cancer and then the judge says, “But we do not have two
relevant medical reports to ...”
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: I will gladly look at it, but I do not think I can make any
orders.
MR KIRK: I am serving it on this court.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: Well, you are not, Mr Kirk. You do not serve things on
the court in that way ...
MR KIRK: Right, I throw it at you.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: ... if you speak to me politely and you want me to look at
it, I will look at it.
MR KIRK: I have a file to lodge with this court.

THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: You cannot lodge files, there are no proceedings in
being.
MR KIRK: I wish you to see the contents of this report and adjourn and come back after
you have studied this document.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: These proceedings are concluded, thank you very much.
I have ordered the disclosure of the documents to assist the anaesthetist. The rest of this ...
MR KIRK: I have done it under Data Protection Act, I have done it under Freedom of
Information Act, I have done it three times now.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: The rest of this is an abuse, Mr Kirk.
MR KIRK: It is an abuse application that I am making today.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: Mr Kirk, there is no abuse application, there are no
proceedings against you.
MR KIRK: It is right here.
THE RECORDER OF CARDIFF: Arrest him. For the purpose of the record, Mr Kirk then
threw a file at me and he missed. Arrest him, put him in the cells please. Thank you very
much. I will put the matter before the High Court judge later today. Thank you. Take him
down please, clear the court. Take him straight down please.
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Originally Posted by Onmybike View Post
I cannot say much on an open forum. The detail is too sensitive. I will start deleting my posts soon.

If Maurice behaved better I believe the important issues in what he claims could be proved.

This Daily Mail article 12 May 2014 is just the tip of something much bigger.

“Ten nurses suspended as hospital probes tampering with medication and false records”

Ten nurses suspended as hospital probes tampering with medication and false records: Campaigners call for inquiry into scandal they say is bigger than Mid Staffs | Daily Mail Online

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...tients-records

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...cting-10597493

Princess of Wales Hospital nurses struck off over faked results - BBC News
I am trying to understand the facts of this case a little better. As you seem to know more about it than I do (not difficult! ) can you shed any light on these questions:

What is the link between the offences described in the two articles and Mr Kirk? Was he also a patient in this stroke treatment unit; and is the allegation that he was also neglected and his records falsified?

Regarding his claim to have brain cancer and the medical report that apparently contradicts this: surely that would be easy to confirm either way by a further scan. Are there any plans to do this? I would have thought Mr Kirk would want to know so that he can get treatment, as well as wanting to prove his point.

Any light you can shed on this and, as Clareprop says, any evidence to support the conclusions, would help people to form a more objective view. Thanks!
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I cannot go into casework on an open forum.

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This is starting to resemble some of the online ramblings that are out there. The Dr. that Maurice harassed gave an opinion about a brain scan that he was not medically qualified to give and used it to try and have Maurice sectioned. Any one of us would feel aggrieved if treated like that. Unfortunately the way Maurice has pursued his complaint has got him locked up. The way that Maurice conducts himself in Court does not get him any sympathy either.
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Clareprop.... A link to the study of the profession that have higher numbers of psycopaths is given below:

https://www.dmarge.com/2017/10/psych...ons-study.html

I agree it not a crime to be a pscopath, but some pychopaths actions are criminal, for example Hitler, Stalin, Shipman, Dahmer, etc.

Also Clareprop, that transcript was interesting, where did you get it from? Because my understanding is that civil hearings are recorded and if you want a written copy of the transcript you have to pay the court to type it out, which is costly.

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This is starting to resemble some of the online ramblings that are out there. The Dr. that Maurice harassed gave an opinion about a brain scan that he was not medically qualified to give and used it to try and have Maurice sectioned. Any one of us would feel aggrieved if treated like that. Unfortunately the way Maurice has pursued his complaint has got him locked up. The way that Maurice conducts himself in Court does not get him any sympathy either.
What you say here is rather good in that if Maurice could get that point across at Court clearly, either a jury could chose not to convict. Or Maurice could have less of a sentence. Either way he would not be locked up.
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Also Clareprop, that transcript was interesting, where did you get it from? Because my understanding is that civil hearings are recorded and if you want a written copy of the transcript you have to pay the court to type it out, which is costly.
It appears that a PDF of the transcript was uploaded in 2010 to a blog titled "Victims Unite". The site doesn't say why/who required the transcript to be mde.
https://victimsunite.files.wordpress...transcript.pdf

Also comes up in a Google search on Kirk's own site, from where it can still be downloaded even though the rest of the site seems to have disappeared.

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Doesn't every Flying Club have at least one eccentric member like him?

My one, admittedly now defunct, had at least two. Neither of whom was me!

I greatly admire Rutherford's balls for attempting to harness and rein in Kirk for a trans-Africa gig. Kirk would be tremendous value around the campfire with a dram in his hand, but OMG! Can you imagine trying to bring the bugger (Kirk, not Rutherford) into line for the benefit of the group?
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 14:05
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Hello posters, While Mr. Kirk has been given a time out from society, there really isn't any new news about his adventures. So we'll give this thread a time out too, and see what happens in the future.
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