Perhaps the last opportunity - RAF Pershore Disused
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Perhaps the last opportunity - RAF Pershore Disused
Saturday June 11th will see the Final Throckmorton Air Show and potentially the last chance to land at the renowned RAF Pershore.
The organisers finally got over all the hurdles that we are now all too well aware of and the show programme will inform all that it will be their final swansong.
Slots are available to fly in if you follow the attached link and a great afternoon's flying will be there for all to see, so please come along and get that 'Official' Throckmorton stamp in your Logbook.
Flying in | Throckmorton Air Show
The organisers finally got over all the hurdles that we are now all too well aware of and the show programme will inform all that it will be their final swansong.
Slots are available to fly in if you follow the attached link and a great afternoon's flying will be there for all to see, so please come along and get that 'Official' Throckmorton stamp in your Logbook.
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Okay, look for Throckmorton Airshow and go to the Flying in page.
Slots available from [email protected]
Hope to see you there.
Slots available from [email protected]
Hope to see you there.
Much as I would have liked to have seen aircraft at Pershore again(I flew Canberras for a while for the RRE in 1966), I am with you on the "blood chit. Outrageous, and I am not a lawyer but not sure it is even legally binding. Flying Lawyer.....?
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No way I'd sign that, either.
In simple terms it places the burden on you to have insurance and the skill if you fly in.
If you are not prepared to take the risk go elsewhere.
No different to landing on a private strip.
If you are not prepared to take the risk go elsewhere.
No different to landing on a private strip.
If you choose to land on a private airstrip the onus is on you to make sure you can get in and out safely.
No different to visiting someone on the ground by car.
We live in a society where some lawyers are out to milk any opportunity.
Hence the "where there is blame there is a claim" mentality.
It means your wife can sue you in a road accident aftermath.
No different to visiting someone on the ground by car.
We live in a society where some lawyers are out to milk any opportunity.
Hence the "where there is blame there is a claim" mentality.
It means your wife can sue you in a road accident aftermath.
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As a helicopter pilot I've been using private landing sites for almost forty years. We often need to pay a landing fee for the privilege. We are very often required to prove we have appropriate insurance. We do both, quite happily. But I've never been asked to sign a document worded quite like that one, requiring me to waive away all my personal rights in the event of an accident caused by the land owner, including negligence on his behalf.
So yes, I would certainly go elsewhere, given a choice.
So yes, I would certainly go elsewhere, given a choice.
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I speculate idly, with no legal training, but...
...would a flight here be at risk of being uninsured ?
Logic being that a prang takes place, let's assume for the purposes of this caused in some way by the negligence of the organisers.
So our pilot/widow(er)/owner claims off their insurance. So far so good.
Insurer claims for their losses against organiser for their negligence, such claim defeated by the waiver (assuming valid).
At which point insurer points at a clause in the policy (sure it would be there somewhere) that says policyholder not to waive their rights. = Insurance invalidated.
Would be interested in hearing what those who have expertise in these matters might say on the subject.
...would a flight here be at risk of being uninsured ?
Logic being that a prang takes place, let's assume for the purposes of this caused in some way by the negligence of the organisers.
So our pilot/widow(er)/owner claims off their insurance. So far so good.
Insurer claims for their losses against organiser for their negligence, such claim defeated by the waiver (assuming valid).
At which point insurer points at a clause in the policy (sure it would be there somewhere) that says policyholder not to waive their rights. = Insurance invalidated.
Would be interested in hearing what those who have expertise in these matters might say on the subject.
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Sounds not dissimilar to not admitting liability for an RTA or insurer may void your policy. Happily in this case I am not current so don't have to make the decision but I would not sign that - and even worse I guess for someone with a club, rented or shared aircraft
There are also rights you can’t waive. That disclaimer about negligence (IANAL) would appear to problematic under the Unfair Contract Terms Act.
You can’t kill someone through "negligence or carelessness” then avoid prosecution with a piece of paper. You can be had up for assisting someone who *wants* to die, let alone someone who doesn’t!
You can’t kill someone through "negligence or carelessness” then avoid prosecution with a piece of paper. You can be had up for assisting someone who *wants* to die, let alone someone who doesn’t!
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No one wants to take the risk so what do you expect?
None of you will fly in now.
It never ceases to amaze me how many cheapskates fly private aircraft and expect to land everywhere without paying a penny.
None of you will fly in now.
It never ceases to amaze me how many cheapskates fly private aircraft and expect to land everywhere without paying a penny.
Um. The link doesn't say anything at all about the cancellation being due to fly-in 'cheapskates' being unwilling to pay money.
It says it was cancelled because of unexpected fees and additional liabilities being placed on the display director and organisers.
It says it was cancelled because of unexpected fees and additional liabilities being placed on the display director and organisers.
No one wanted to take the risk.
FBW
Long ago I loved going to air shows and even displayed for a few years, so I'm sad to say that I think Shoreham marked the beginning of the end for them. The free and easy atmosphere of those days has gone the way of the uncontrolled airspace where I once spent many happy hours in attitudes which would likely alarm the Airbus and Boeing drivers who daily plod their STARS and SIDS.
Throckmorton is or was a charity show organised by volunteers who appear to have been personally liable in the event of anything going wrong. If I was one of them I too would try and indemnify myself against the inevitable claims. Please don't be so hard on them, folks, they did their best but I fear the insurance premiums would far exceed the likely revenue.
Throckmorton is or was a charity show organised by volunteers who appear to have been personally liable in the event of anything going wrong. If I was one of them I too would try and indemnify myself against the inevitable claims. Please don't be so hard on them, folks, they did their best but I fear the insurance premiums would far exceed the likely revenue.
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It's a pity
I went to Throckmorton show last year. The organisers cut two grass strips specially for the show. One was 270m and the other was 370m but over a wood, so effectively both 270m! We practiced short field before we went and even though the Breitling team decided it was too much of a crosswind to land, we got in successfully (and out of course).
The show was good and all for a good cause. It was an opportunity to log somewhere new, enjoy the show, and enjoy the achievement of making it in. If I hadn't got it right, it would have been my fault entirely. No one but the captain is responsible for deciding whether to fly in, or whether to abort. So I would have had no fear of signing any waiver.
But I think the cancellation is far more likely due to lack of public (non-flyers) support. I understand there was horrendous traffic trying to reach the show by road last year, and that's enough to put a lot of people off.
Tomorrow we will be at Biggin Hill Festival of Flight, but that is far smaller than it used to be, and limited to 15,000 pre-booked attendees - as the old, previous, massive attendance caused chaos on the roads. I think it's the same story as Throckmorton.
Thanks to the organisers for giving us the opportunity last year!
The show was good and all for a good cause. It was an opportunity to log somewhere new, enjoy the show, and enjoy the achievement of making it in. If I hadn't got it right, it would have been my fault entirely. No one but the captain is responsible for deciding whether to fly in, or whether to abort. So I would have had no fear of signing any waiver.
But I think the cancellation is far more likely due to lack of public (non-flyers) support. I understand there was horrendous traffic trying to reach the show by road last year, and that's enough to put a lot of people off.
Tomorrow we will be at Biggin Hill Festival of Flight, but that is far smaller than it used to be, and limited to 15,000 pre-booked attendees - as the old, previous, massive attendance caused chaos on the roads. I think it's the same story as Throckmorton.
Thanks to the organisers for giving us the opportunity last year!