Chipmunk - Should I?
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built from plan constructing every piece himself.
Do you think that the fact he built it from plans, constructing every piece himself, would make the ultimate product 'better' to fly?
I completely get the achievement and respect the amount of work and that in itself is a great ambition...
But surely, building everything to plan but from scratch will not make the final product any better than doing it from the kit received from the factory? OK, you can adjust some things to your specific needs, but you can do that anyway within the same confines as if you bought a kit.
And with the best will and tools in the world, those components which come ready made in the kit are probably made to a higher degree of accuracy/better tolerance when they come from Van's than done in your own garage?
I've always thought of the 'building from plans' really only making sense where there was no kit option. Unless, of course, you want the utter achievement of doing it all yourself, but without really getting anything extra for it.
I'm not at all dissing your friend or your statement - just genuinely curious...
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I'll probably get flamed for saying this but IMHO the Chippy and RV are incomparable. The Chippy is iconic and oozing nostalgia whereas the RV breed is Meccano like kit build.
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Personally I like the look of the RV's, though I do think the tandem once look best - and you can slide into the seats with your hands on the siderails.
I would agree though that, if you want character and nostalgia then you want the Chippie, if you want performance then go for the RV.
I would agree though that, if you want character and nostalgia then you want the Chippie, if you want performance then go for the RV.
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I wasn't going to go as far as saying that the RV was an ugly b*tch, but since PDR1 has, I concur. 
It's cramped too. If I was into aero's and wanted performance I would probably go for the Yak 52 or an Extra.
But that's just *my* choice.
It's cramped too. If I was into aero's and wanted performance I would probably go for the Yak 52 or an Extra.
But that's just *my* choice.
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That's why I went for the '52 - that, and the fact a share was handily available. It felt more like a warbird than a light aeroplane, was far more capable aerobatically than the Chippy, could do party tricks like near-vertical climbs after take off, but at aeros power and RPM setting drank fuel at a prodigious rate. It also just didn't have that lovely co-ordinated handling ....or a fraction of the character. And it was the most undemanding (and therefore uninteresting and unrewarding) aeroplane to land that I have ever flown (provided you remembered to lower the gear!).
When the group disbanded after another member landed gear-up I was more than happy to go back to my first love, the fabulous Chipmunk.
When the group disbanded after another member landed gear-up I was more than happy to go back to my first love, the fabulous Chipmunk.
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Do you think that the fact he built it from plans, constructing every piece himself, would make the ultimate product 'better' to fly?
I think it was more financial not paying for others labour.You really have to love the building probably more than the flying to do that and I would often find him in the garage where he lived for five years much to the dismay of his wife.
I am such a restless soul I would not have the patience to even put a kit together never mind construct every piece from a set of plans
Sorry it would have to be ready to go by tomorrow
But I had the pleasure of flying it with him a number of times and scared him to bits with my antics as it delighted in all manner of everything other than straight and level
probably my choice of a personal fun aircraft and an aircraft which felt like an extension of yourself SSD I know what you mean about character as far as twins went I loved the Baron 55 which again for a twin oozed character and good handling mixed with that bit of magic which other twins didn't have. Something hard to put your finger on as to why
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I didn't know that any of the RV aircraft were designed, I thought it was designed by a blind man, sorry that's nasty, a person of limited vision. It has to be the ugliest aircraft in the air, compared to something like a DA40 or a Panthera, it looks like something from the 1820's.
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Shaggy
"I was more than happy to go back to my first love, the fabulous Chipmunk".
Anyone serious about aviation and vintage aircraft would share your thoughts. The Chippy just oozes personality and is probably as close one could get to a Spit at a fraction of the cost. Enjoy her
Flying_Anorak
If you still haven't been convinced thus far, consult your AME ;-)
"I was more than happy to go back to my first love, the fabulous Chipmunk".
Anyone serious about aviation and vintage aircraft would share your thoughts. The Chippy just oozes personality and is probably as close one could get to a Spit at a fraction of the cost. Enjoy her
Flying_Anorak
If you still haven't been convinced thus far, consult your AME ;-)
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Fatmanmedia
We were talking about handling not how an aircraft looks which is in the eye of the beholder.
Some men like fat women, some skinny but what good is a picture perfect woman if you can just look at her and she doesn't perform
Ideal is looks great and performs great
If she performs great but ?? turn the lights off and use your imagination
Pace
We were talking about handling not how an aircraft looks which is in the eye of the beholder.
Some men like fat women, some skinny but what good is a picture perfect woman if you can just look at her and she doesn't perform
Ideal is looks great and performs great
If she performs great but ?? turn the lights off and use your imagination
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Pace
I think the terminology you are referring to goes something like this....
"You don't have to look at the fireplace while you're poking the fire"
I'll take a miss, she's all yours.
Anyway, no room for ugly birds in ere. Let's get back to the Chippy.
I think the terminology you are referring to goes something like this....
"You don't have to look at the fireplace while you're poking the fire"
I'll take a miss, she's all yours.
Anyway, no room for ugly birds in ere. Let's get back to the Chippy.
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Some even with a bubble canopy?
British civil Chipmunks also came with a bubble canopy (Mk. 22?) although interestingly, the canopies are not interchangeable with Canadian ones.
I think Chipmunks and RVs are both beautiful in their own ways. Let's just be grateful that the Chipmunk won the competition for a new RAF trainer, rather than this ugly duckling:
I can't imagine SSD waxing lyrical over the Fairey Primer!
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Fairey only ever made ugly aeroplanes. One day, when no-one was looking, someone from Dassault broke into the Fairey drawing office and sketched out a Mirage, to give Fairey an idea that ugliness wasn't a prerequisite in an aeroplane.
That became the Fairey Delta 2. The only good looking aeroplane ever to come out of that firm, and so obviously a cuckoo chick!
That became the Fairey Delta 2. The only good looking aeroplane ever to come out of that firm, and so obviously a cuckoo chick!
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I'm feeling the need to wade in here to redress the chippie /RV4,6,7,8 balance.
The chipmunk is a lovely aeroplane, best control harmony , gorgeous to fly , spins beautifully , smells amazing etc but when you weigh in maintenance, cleaning a litre of oil off the fuselage after each flight, the faffy starting procedure, the crazy brakes, the ring pull engine stop you really need to love it.
The rv is pretty nice to fly, awfully fast and (relatively)cheap to maintain. Yes it lacks character but makes up in accessibility. There is no pre engine start or post stop messing around.
If someone else was paying I'd fly a Chippie. But I'm not an engineer and like flying so it's the lycoming power for me.
To answer the op you must own a chipmunk at least once in your life.
The chipmunk is a lovely aeroplane, best control harmony , gorgeous to fly , spins beautifully , smells amazing etc but when you weigh in maintenance, cleaning a litre of oil off the fuselage after each flight, the faffy starting procedure, the crazy brakes, the ring pull engine stop you really need to love it.
The rv is pretty nice to fly, awfully fast and (relatively)cheap to maintain. Yes it lacks character but makes up in accessibility. There is no pre engine start or post stop messing around.
If someone else was paying I'd fly a Chippie. But I'm not an engineer and like flying so it's the lycoming power for me.
To answer the op you must own a chipmunk at least once in your life.
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I looked very closely at buying a Chipmunk once. They are nice to fly but my impression after a period of study was that there was for decades a small staff of people paid to justify their own existence by studying the design and mandating seemingly hundred of (effectively) ADs... some of which were unnecessary, and some of which were later reversed in chaotic fashion. It's a maze of nonsense that I think would have killed any civil design in a few years. That plus an engine with 1920s level design weaknesses, impractical maintenance issues and unsolvable oil leaks made me go in a different direction. Nice to fly but painful to own was my conclusion.
I think the Chipmnk has pretty lines spoiled by some slighty frumpy details like the RAF canopy and unfaired landing gear. The RV with its constant chord wing is arguably less elegant in concept... but I think the detail design of the RV is generally cleaner. Just my opinion. Obviously either the RV4 or RV8 have tremendously better performance on 150 HP.
I think the Chipmnk has pretty lines spoiled by some slighty frumpy details like the RAF canopy and unfaired landing gear. The RV with its constant chord wing is arguably less elegant in concept... but I think the detail design of the RV is generally cleaner. Just my opinion. Obviously either the RV4 or RV8 have tremendously better performance on 150 HP.
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After getting my PPL on Jackeroos, I converted to Chipmunks in 1 hour 20 minutes. After 5 hours 15 minutes I converted in 40 minutes to a C150. Maybe for aerobatics, but otherwise I don't see the attraction of the Chipmunk. (26 years in a Jodel DR1050 taildragger Group.)
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The way I see it, if some people can conceivably think that a C150 is a step up from a Chipmunk ... then fine, terrific, great, go for it!
It just takes the pressure off the Chippy market.
It just boils down to 'Boys and their Toys' - What does it for me, may not for you.
A classic British bike versus a Japanese screamer. A wooden boat versus an aluminium one. A 'curvaceous' woman versus a 'slim' one... Et cetera.
Pretty simple, really.
Oh, BTW, you can buy 'Super Chippy' kits from the States, y'know. No oil leaks, no quirks, no foibles - just the thing for the anally-retentive.
It just takes the pressure off the Chippy market.
It just boils down to 'Boys and their Toys' - What does it for me, may not for you.
A classic British bike versus a Japanese screamer. A wooden boat versus an aluminium one. A 'curvaceous' woman versus a 'slim' one... Et cetera.
Pretty simple, really.
Oh, BTW, you can buy 'Super Chippy' kits from the States, y'know. No oil leaks, no quirks, no foibles - just the thing for the anally-retentive.
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C150? Old ones do the job as cheap as chips trainers, but they will never be an aeroplane.
What's wrong with the Chippy brakes? They are far and away the best I have ever known in any aeroplane. With the free-castoring tailwheel you can spin the aeroplane around on the ground in its own length! They offer much finer control as a means of steering on the ground than any other I've tried.
But you do have to learn to use them if you are used to the 'car brakes' on a Spammy.
And what's this ring-pull engine stop? Mags off, throttle wide open was the way we did it!
What's wrong with the Chippy brakes? They are far and away the best I have ever known in any aeroplane. With the free-castoring tailwheel you can spin the aeroplane around on the ground in its own length! They offer much finer control as a means of steering on the ground than any other I've tried.
But you do have to learn to use them if you are used to the 'car brakes' on a Spammy.
And what's this ring-pull engine stop? Mags off, throttle wide open was the way we did it!