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Old 7th Mar 2016, 15:07
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(or at least not in that context)
So we're in agreement, I think?

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Old 7th Mar 2016, 15:15
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Well, we're splitting hairs as it's not relevant in this example, but PICUS is logged during primary training in GA types on an integrated course - it's the only way they can accumulate the P1 hours required for licence issue and is historically, anything but 'under supervision' but that's another story
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Old 7th Mar 2016, 15:36
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Well it's a consistent theme of pilots under training logging PiC when not genuinely flying as PiC.

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I had an instructor sit by me - to check me out - and I was sole manipulator of the controls with the odd input from the instructor. It was technically a dual flight as obviously he has to sit next to me to check I am safe.

How should this get logged?

"I was sole manipulator of the controls"
vs
"with the odd input from the instructor"


Definition of sole ?


"It was technically a dual flight as obviously he has to sit next to me"


Not sure why you are asking how you should Log this flight.
You were PUT - as you, yourself, recognise.
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Old 7th Mar 2016, 21:06
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I always record local date/time at PoD and annotate the remarks column accordingly.
That saves ambiguity over date of flight and errors from correcting.

The FARs have no requirement for actual times to be recorded, so if you are flying under the privilege of a US airman's certificate, you can do as you like.

FCL.050 asks that you record date of flight and place & time of departure and arrival. So if you use the local date with UTC time you are creating ambiguity.

If you define the time zone that you are using then there is no ambiguity e.g. dates/times are EDT/MST/....
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Old 8th Mar 2016, 01:11
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Originally Posted by patowalker
GMT is a time zone and UTC is a time standard.

UTC is not an abbreviation of Temps Universel Coordonné, it is just simbolic of Coordinated Universal Time and is language neutral.
So maybe it should be Coordinated Universal Neutral Time ??
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Old 8th Mar 2016, 22:09
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Second question is.. Should the time flown get converted to UTC/GMT? or entered as local time - not sure if it makes a difference?
UK logbooks are maintained in accordance with the ANO Art 79 There is no requirement to log any time except

3 (a) the time spent during the course of a flight
i.e Elapsed time and
(d) information about any special conditions under which the flight was conducted, including night flying
i.e. Day/Night.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 07:14
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Agreed , although custom and practice is that the vast majority of us log departure and arrival times - which is done in zulu.

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Old 9th Mar 2016, 10:51
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In over 10,000 hours I have never logged an arrival or departure time but the log books I use have no columns for them.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 14:17
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You rebel, Whopity.

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Old 9th Mar 2016, 20:51
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Agreed , although custom and practice is that the vast majority of us log departure and arrival times
I was taught (some considerable time ago) only to bother to write down the times if the departure and arrival airfields were different. Pretty sure I usually use local time, but can't remember what I did for my one channel crossing (the only time I've been across a time zone).
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