Surveillance Mandatory Zones if infringements aren't cut
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Surveillance Mandatory Zones if infringements aren't cut
Looks like CAA are getting very miffed (rightly so) about infringements: http://www.flyer.co.uk/aviation-news/newsfeed.php?artnum=2316
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And also how about making it a bit less complicated. The drive for years was to cut infringements, whilst loading up more and more CTZ. Also Military Danger Areas are springing up all over the bloody place. Flying is really not what it used to be....
Failure to achieve the target could see the future introduction of surveillance mandatory zones (SMZ) to provide a conspicuity buffer around particular hotspot, continued the CAA. The aim of the SMZ will be to provide a ‘known traffic environment’ around the hotspot’s class D airspace. This could lead to a requirement for the mandatory use of radios and/or transponders in that buffer area.
Sounds like a policy that will encourage even more pilots to fly with their transponders switched off.
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Looking over the GA Occurrence reports it is clear there are a lot on infringements, but it isn't clear how serious they are.
My feeling is that certain airfields have been 'encouraged' to report whereas once upon a time, they didn't
I guess it is a drive to create or extend Class D and avoid the hassle of a full-blown airspace change.
We've seen how quickly a TMZ or RMZ can be created compared to a change of Airspace Class. The SMZ is a natural and cheaper extension of this
My feeling is that certain airfields have been 'encouraged' to report whereas once upon a time, they didn't
I guess it is a drive to create or extend Class D and avoid the hassle of a full-blown airspace change.
We've seen how quickly a TMZ or RMZ can be created compared to a change of Airspace Class. The SMZ is a natural and cheaper extension of this
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I suggest that a lot of infringements occur near "choke points" between CAS. The narrower the gap, the more likely pilots are to bust the adjacent airspace.
We've seen how quickly a TMZ or RMZ can be created compared to a change of Airspace Class. The SMZ is a natural and cheaper extension of this
Just Class D by the back door.
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So the solution to infringements is to make the restricted areas bigger?
Sounds like a policy that will encourage even more pilots to fly with their transponders switched off.
MJ
Sounds like a policy that will encourage even more pilots to fly with their transponders switched off.
MJ
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There are many that could be related to the airspace philosophy
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There are many that could be related to the airspace philosophy
Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
I'm having fun with one at the moment - allegedly I climbed into a bit of CTA in speeds and climb rates of which the aeroplane I was flying was incapable, on a sortie where I had no reason to fly that high, whilst mode-S was squawking hex code but not reg. We checked the mode S a few weeks later with the same tower, and they could read reg and hex both - no maintenance done on same box in between.
I pointed out that it probably wasn't me for these reasons, and was subsequently the unhappy recipient of an email suggesting that I was not showing the right attitude and probably needed reporting to CAA for licencing action. Everybody can probably guess, without being told, the tone of my response to that.
I don't dispute that putting big and little aeroplanes in the same place at the same time is a bad thing unless properly controlled, but there's a distinct attitude problem in the airspace allocating community that is as much in need of fixing as anybody's navigation here. Also just possibly the technology isn't quite as good as NATS think it is at detecting these things.
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I pointed out that it probably wasn't me for these reasons, and was subsequently the unhappy recipient of an email suggesting that I was not showing the right attitude and probably needed reporting to CAA for licencing action. Everybody can probably guess, without being told, the tone of my response to that.
I don't dispute that putting big and little aeroplanes in the same place at the same time is a bad thing unless properly controlled, but there's a distinct attitude problem in the airspace allocating community that is as much in need of fixing as anybody's navigation here. Also just possibly the technology isn't quite as good as NATS think it is at detecting these things.
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So they made most of UK airspace Class A, extremely complex, inaccessible to VFR flights and boundaries hard to understand.
And now they are having a go at the pilots?
It's completely embarrassing. We can clearly see what needs simplifying.
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And now they are having a go at the pilots?
It's completely embarrassing. We can clearly see what needs simplifying.
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I pointed out that it probably wasn't me for these reasons, and was subsequently the unhappy recipient of an email suggesting that I was not showing the right attitude and probably needed reporting to CAA for licencing action. Everybody can probably guess, without being told, the tone of my response to that.
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At 7500ft actually which what I use to cruise over New York.
We don't even have airspace 'alerts' here. Using the popular UK Skydemon tool there's about a dozen 'issues' I still have ta sort out.
We don't even have airspace 'alerts' here. Using the popular UK Skydemon tool there's about a dozen 'issues' I still have ta sort out.
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Just do it, SH... I'm sure they'll understand; obviously it's just the entire system that's wrong, not you..
P.s. please post pics of the Typhoons on your wingtips.
P.s. please post pics of the Typhoons on your wingtips.
If you think our airspace is complicated .... have you been to France?
In the good old days they had a very sensible Gallic attitude and no one really minded if one flew through the odd bit of red air ... but now they have AA missiles mounted on the power stations
In the good old days they had a very sensible Gallic attitude and no one really minded if one flew through the odd bit of red air ... but now they have AA missiles mounted on the power stations