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Old 16th May 2015, 08:40
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Rubbish radio calls.

I'm hearing more and more iffy R/T. Could this be down to the fact that training can now be given at unlicensed airfields? Or is there some other reason?
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Old 16th May 2015, 09:33
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Training at unlicensed Airfields shouldn't be an issue. There is are 2 tests to pass, 1 Theory and 1 Practical.
Perhaps Pilots just don't practise RT enough.
Having heard thee on't owd wireless Mac, I do know what tha' means.
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Old 16th May 2015, 09:52
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Totally agree. Brevity seems to have gone out of the window, as does common sense.


The last thing anyone needs when joining an extremely busy circuit is to have the radio blocked by some lengthy discourse from an aircraft passing 10 miles abeam- all too common now.
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Old 16th May 2015, 10:25
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The last thing anyone needs when joining an extremely busy circuit is to have the radio blocked by some lengthy discourse from an aircraft passing 10 miles abeam- all too common now.
I'd only call in passing if I thought the radio operator sounded lonely!
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The last thing anyone needs when joining an extremely busy circuit is to have the radio blocked by some lengthy discourse from an aircraft passing 10 miles abeam- all too common now.
Which sort of makes the case for a (radar supported) FIS over a larger area eliminating the need for aircraft to contact A/G stations when passing by, requesting a basic service....
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Thats not the point it was always like that not a recent thing.
A lot has to do with experience and nervousness. you get the PPL who talks very slowly often giving their life story rather than being snappy, precise with only the relevant detail.

Its strange how you can almost tell the experience of a pilot by the radio calls and confidence and may I add authority the caller gives when making those calls.

Too many are in awe of the units they are talking to.

I can remember crossing Birmingham and ATC gave one clearance to one guy who sounded very unsure and convoluted and basically kept him well clear while another was given a clearance through the zone which they then updated to IFR.

You only have to fly IFR through London to see how incredibly busy ATC are and how short and snappy the radio calls are and have to be from professional pilots to realise the huge difference

So be short precise snappy and authoritative in those calls especially if you want to be taken seriously
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eliminating the need for aircraft to contact A/G stations when passing by, requesting a basic service....
You do not get a Basic Service from an A/G unit - it is not, by definition, an ATS unit.
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Too many are in awe of the units they are talking to.
Quite so!

Be brief

Be professional

Do not treat the radio as a primary flight control.
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It's the safety aspect of some of the calls which concerns me most.
Primarily in the vicinity of the airfield.


'Downwind', with no reference to which runway or circuit direction.


'Base leg', as opposed to 'Right base 02' or whatever.


Pilots trundling onto a taxyway and announcing that they're 'Backtracking to the hold', when they clearly aren't. Etc.
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Its all them ruddy microlighters who don't bother to get a radio licence and haven't a clue what they're doing
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microlighters who don't bother to get a radio licence and haven't a clue what they're doing
Now now Heston, we can't expect them to talk a load of shite with their mates on the microlight "party chat frequency" about where there going for a pint when they land AND make normal position and transition request calls on those pesky ATC frequencies can we?
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It's the safety aspect of some of the calls which concerns me most.
Primarily in the vicinity of the airfield.


'Downwind', with no reference to which runway or circuit direction.


'Base leg', as opposed to 'Right base 02' or whatever.
? - if unspecified doesn't

"Downwind" mean "for the active runway in the published circuit direction for that runway"

"Base" mean "for the active runway in the published circuit direction for that runway"

If I'm doing something non-standard I'll put in the runway or direction but otherwise why clutter up airtime?
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This^

Try flying at a mil airfield, no nonsense and to the point.
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If R/T level of quality has dropped due to the permission for training at non-licensed fields, it cannot have to do with microlighters - they were well clear of that kind of nonsense since day one.

Not that I take all that very serious - weather is poor for flying, at least here, so one must expect the usual lot of fools at the bar. And the associated level of discussion.
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I've heard FISOs using atrocious R/T procedures - using pilots names instead of a/c callsigns, clipping transmissions, not using callsigns (e.g. A/c "XXX downwind", FISO "...port final"). At airfields where student pilots are operating, R/T phraseology and procedures should be "by the book".
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"? - if unspecified doesn't

"Downwind" mean "for the active runway in the published circuit direction for that runway"

"Base" mean "for the active runway in the published circuit direction for that runway"

If I'm doing something non-standard I'll put in the runway or direction but otherwise why clutter up airtime? "

Never flown to or from an airfield with 'Circuits. Variable'?
With no-one manning the radio.
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Never flown to or from an airfield with 'Circuits. Variable'?
With no-one manning the radio.
Not that I recall, but in such a case I would realise that there is no concept of "active runway" and no concept of "published direction" and would give more detail. (But not of course "left", as that's the ultimate default circuit direction.)

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Old 16th May 2015, 22:41
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I've heard FISOs using atrocious R/T procedures - using pilots names instead of a/c callsigns, clipping transmissions, not using callsigns (e.g. A/c "XXX downwind", FISO "...port final"). At airfields where student pilots are operating, R/T phraseology and procedures should be "by the book".
HD, I know what you mean and could not agree more!

Also the willy waving which those with TCAS indulge in jamming up the airwaves at an airfield with A/G - I feel like squawking standby and bouncing them to make the point that non transponder a/c won't show on TCAS!
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Old 16th May 2015, 22:46
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"Downwind" mean "for the active runway in the published circuit direction for that runway"

"Base" mean "for the active runway in the published circuit direction for that runway"

If I'm doing something non-standard I'll put in the runway or direction but otherwise why clutter up airtime?
Gertrude am with you all the way there and the last time I checked the CAP on RT does not specify that you have to nominate the runway or circuit direction when making position reports in the circuit.
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Old 16th May 2015, 22:48
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Do not treat the radio as a primary flight control.
Shaggy, am going to pinch that one - thanks!
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