TK Knowledge for EIR, through an ATO?

[just the boy]

I am getting differing reports from folks with regards to this question, so I thought I would ask on here;

I have decided I want to go for the MEP EIR, I currently have an IR(R). I have just purchased the self-study books, through iTunes, in the form of iBook’s. I was under the impression, and speaking to the CAA I could do self-study through my own efforts, and turn up for the exams, but I am now being told that this isn’t the case and I have to go through an ATO for the exams. The issue is, that I have already purchased the books, as reasonable cost to myself, and if I were to go through an ATO then I would have to purchase their books (I am assuming)

So what do you think? Do I need to go through an ATO or can I self-study? I realise I need to go through an ATO for the flying, but I have that covered,
Cheers all

[Pete O'Tewbe]

From Annex 1 to Commission Regulation (EU) No 1178/2011 (as amended by Commission Regulation (EU) No 245/2014):

FCL.825 En route instrument rating (EIR)

(a) [..]

(b) [..]

(c) Training course. Applicants for an EIR shall have completed, within a period of 36 months at an ATO:

(1) at least 80 hours of theoretical knowledge instruction in accordance with FCL.615; and

(2) instrument flight instruction, during which:

(i) the flying training for a single-engine EIR shall include at least 15 hours of instrument flight time under instruction; and

(ii) the flying training for a multi-engine EIR shall include at least 16 hours of instrument flight time under instruction, of which at least 4 hours shall be in multi-engine aeroplanes.

etc

[just the boy]

Cheers for that, I had better call CATS Luton. Buying those iBooks was a waste of time/money. #bugger-it

[englishal]

Sorry to hijack the thread but on the subject of the EIR, if I am reading this correctly:

Applicants for the EIR, holding a Part-FCL PPL or CPL and a valid IR(A) issued in accordance with the requirements of Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention by a third country, may be credited in full towards the training course requirements mentioned in point (c). In order to be issued the EIR, the applicant shall:
(1)
successfully complete the skill test for the EIR;
(2)
by way of derogation from point (d), demonstrate during the skill test towards the examiner that he/she has acquired an adequate level of theoretical knowledge of air law, meteorology and flight planning and performance (IR);
(3)
have a minimum experience of at least 25 hours of flight time under IFR as PIC on aeroplanes.’

Says that an FAA IR holder (or other ICAO IR holder) doesn't need to do a theoretical course, nor the training but only take and pass the skills test.

This is quite useful to know, as the CAA will issue the IR(R) based on the FAA IR (exempt from theory, training and flight test), and if one then added the EIR by way of skills test only, then one effectively has near enough full IR privileges in the UK, and access to airways while abroad....

I wonder if the IR(R) and EIR could be renewed in one flight test ? Presumably it could....

[lasseb]

Just to add a comment to englishal's hijack...
This is also true for the CBIR course and not just the EIR.
If you have an ICAO IR rating, you "just" need to pass a skill test to get an EASA IR/EIR rating.
From the regulations (245/2014)

8. Applicants for the competency-based modular IR(A) holding a Part-FCL PPL or CPL and a valid IR(A) issued
in compliance with the requirements of Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention by a third country may be
credited in full towards the training course mentioned in paragraph 4. In order to be issued the IR(A), the
applicant shall:
(a) successfully complete the skill test for the IR(A) in accordance with Appendix 7;
(b) demonstrate to the examiner during the skill test that he/she has acquired an adequate level of theoretical
knowledge of air law, meteorology and flight planning and performance (IR); and
(c) have a minimum experience of at least 50 hours of flight time under IFR as PIC on aeroplanes

[bookworm]

Indeed. It's completely pointless for a current FAA IR holder to do the EIR, just do the IR. More options coming soon under the BASA IPL.

[Pace]

Just a quickie

I have 6000 hrs 2500 multi piston about 800 sep and the rest Jet on an FAA ATPL.
My MEP and SEP were CAA as well as the IMCR and have gone over three years at present I have till april 2016 to revalidate those licences and have them put on an EASA licence is that correct?

Pace

[S-Works]

It's training as required by the Head of Training of an ATO and the relevant skill tests got the SEP and IMC. For MEP it's the same but depending on the Head of Training it can be as much as repeating the entire course. The rules state should rather than shall repeat the course if expired more than three years but the final decision is down to the HoT.

[Pace]

Bose X

Thanks for that but being pretty busy on the FAA ATP and jets do I now have till April 2016 to renew these on CAA and add them to an EASA licence which I do not yet hold. I think I had till april 2015 to convert to EASA where it would have been much harder but that has been delayed yet another year?

Pace

[S-Works]

There is nothing stopping you converting now. You just won't have any valid ratings.

[Pace]

Bose

I was told to revalidate the lisences on my CAA licence and then convert to EASA as then I will get the EASA licence with these ratings.
To get the EASA licence and then add the ratings is much more complicated and expensive ?

Pace

[S-Works]

Not in the global scheme of things.