Thoughts on this?
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FAA are not happy with these kind of services, I can't imagine any other authority would accept them as well
FAA warns flight sharing services - AOPA
for those in the hurry, in the article there are three sentences I would like to stress:
“A carrier becomes a common carrier when it ‘holds itself out’ to the public, or to a segment of the public, as willing to furnish transportation within the limits of its facilities to any person who wants it.”
"Although the pilots participating in the AirPooler website have chosen the destination, they are holding out to the public to transport passengers for compensation in the form of a reduction of the operating expenses they would have paid for the flight,"
Furthermore, “not only will the FAA be unhappy if you conduct a commercial operation without an operating certificate, but if you are involved in an accident or an incident, your insurance company might be able to deny coverage for any claims made against your policy”
Personally I think when you try to fly someone you don't know, coming from a web site that offers people to rate their pilots - it will affect your judgement, especially when it comes to go/no-go calls due to weather etc. I smell trouble
FAA warns flight sharing services - AOPA
for those in the hurry, in the article there are three sentences I would like to stress:
“A carrier becomes a common carrier when it ‘holds itself out’ to the public, or to a segment of the public, as willing to furnish transportation within the limits of its facilities to any person who wants it.”
"Although the pilots participating in the AirPooler website have chosen the destination, they are holding out to the public to transport passengers for compensation in the form of a reduction of the operating expenses they would have paid for the flight,"
Furthermore, “not only will the FAA be unhappy if you conduct a commercial operation without an operating certificate, but if you are involved in an accident or an incident, your insurance company might be able to deny coverage for any claims made against your policy”
Personally I think when you try to fly someone you don't know, coming from a web site that offers people to rate their pilots - it will affect your judgement, especially when it comes to go/no-go calls due to weather etc. I smell trouble
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Advertising flights is now allowed by UK CAA under EASA isn't it?
https://www.caa.co.uk/application.as...detail&id=6706
https://www.caa.co.uk/application.as...detail&id=6706
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Anyone considering this should read the ANO (UK) or equivalent document for their country.
There are two guides for the UK that summarise the relevant parts (emphasise that these are guides, ANO is always definitive):
https://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?pageid=8791
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Informa...ice2015029.pdf
The most pertinent section appears to be this:
5 How to determine whether or not a flight which is not commercial air transport is public transport
5.1 To determine whether or not a flight which is not commercial air transport is for the purpose of public transport of passengers, the first question is whether or not there are any passengers on board. This is not always entirely straightforward as an occupant may claim to be a member of the crew.
5.2 Having determined that there is at least one passenger on board, the next question is whether any payment has been given or promised which, if it had not been given or promised would mean that the passengers would not have been carried. If there is any payment which could fall into this category, consider what would have happened if the passenger had presented himself for carriage and announced that such a payment would not now be made. Would the passenger still be carried?
As long as you are confident that you would be able to satisfy any queries surrounding flights undertaken through this weflymate (or similar) website, then fill your boots.
SD
There are two guides for the UK that summarise the relevant parts (emphasise that these are guides, ANO is always definitive):
https://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?pageid=8791
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Informa...ice2015029.pdf
The most pertinent section appears to be this:
5 How to determine whether or not a flight which is not commercial air transport is public transport
5.1 To determine whether or not a flight which is not commercial air transport is for the purpose of public transport of passengers, the first question is whether or not there are any passengers on board. This is not always entirely straightforward as an occupant may claim to be a member of the crew.
5.2 Having determined that there is at least one passenger on board, the next question is whether any payment has been given or promised which, if it had not been given or promised would mean that the passengers would not have been carried. If there is any payment which could fall into this category, consider what would have happened if the passenger had presented himself for carriage and announced that such a payment would not now be made. Would the passenger still be carried?
SD
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The two questions:
5.1. A single crew operation aircraft can only have one crew member I believe?
5.2. This one is more complicated, as presumably if your mate decided not to cough up you wouldn't take him flying - which is the wrong answer!
Right, wrong?
5.1. A single crew operation aircraft can only have one crew member I believe?
5.2. This one is more complicated, as presumably if your mate decided not to cough up you wouldn't take him flying - which is the wrong answer!
Right, wrong?
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5.1. A single crew operation aircraft can only have one crew member I believe?
A FRTOL is a flight cre licence and a second person in a SPA could be regarded as a crew member if they were exercising the privileges of the licence; it would even count for revalidation of that licence!
