(Only relevant in UK) CAP 413 RT for Air/Ground airfield

[TheEnthusiast]

Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever

...as long as is not to the detriment of learning and studying the vital foundation knowledge areas...

Yes I'm sure these are wise words - thanks Big P!

Really I started the thread because I wanted to think about RT less... it was bugging me that there seemed to be 3 different ways to say the same things and I don't want to have to think about RT too much in the air...so I may as well choose my vocab now and not have to worry about it again. As I said earlier in the thread, if the weather was good enough for me to be out there pracisting my lookout, aviating and navigating I certainly wouldn't have been indoors thinking about this stuff!!

Originally Posted by whowhenwhy

In my experience, the CAP 413 team always answer questions very quickly.

That's good to know - thanks Mr. HowWhatWhere! I think I will contact them one day about A/G phraseology. I'll work through my PPL first though!! It does say on the withdrawn CAP 413 Supplement 3 page that they're working on some new documents for GA, so hopefully there will be more about A/G soon anyway.

[chevvron]

whowhenwhy/talkdownman:
Until recently, I was on the UK Phraseology Working Group which 'edited' content of CAP413 and as I'm an authorised A/G Examiner and holder of a ROCC, A/G operators were represented.

[TheEnthusiast]

Originally Posted by chevvron

whowhenwhy/talkdownman:
Until recently, I was on the UK Phraseology Working Group which 'edited' content of CAP413 and as I'm an authorised A/G Examiner and holder of a ROCC, A/G operators were represented.

Ah that's great to hear Chevvron - really appreciate you taking the time to respond on that. Any comments on my on my opening post would also be appreciated. Basically I'm trying to assemble a core set of stock phrases which will be my 'default' ones to use in the most common situations - of course I also realise the need to be flexible and that there will always be situations not covered; but as students we have to start by learning something so it may as well be the right thing!

[Talkdownman]

Originally Posted by chevvron

I was on the UK Phraseology Working Group which 'edited' content of CAP413

Ah, say no more, that explains everything….so it's all your fault….

[Whopity]

As an aside I wonder if the reason that CAP 413 seems clearer at defining phraseology for ATC compared with A/G is that the ATC procedures are handed down to CAA by ICAO whereas A/G is something CAA has to define for itself.

In the main, ICAO copied the CAA document but never bothered to update it! CAP 413 was the pilot's equivalent of CAP 493 the Manual of Air Traffic Services related to Air Traffic Control Communication, it did not originally cover AFIS or A/G which were covered by CAP 410 and CAP 453 respectively. A/G and AFIS phraseology was only added to CAP 413 when it became apparent that many pilots did not understand it!