Runways on runways
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I guessed at Enstone.
I've heard by the way that the rubble heaps that spoilt the approach/take off path at Old Buck have been done away with, something to do with a new owner next door.
I've heard by the way that the rubble heaps that spoilt the approach/take off path at Old Buck have been done away with, something to do with a new owner next door.
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I guessed at Enstone.
Big thanks to Paul for running me and my buddy down the pub; he suggested the steak and hooky pie so we decided to have that and were not disappointed. In fact I was forced to have treacle pudding for afters and that was just superb. I nearly had another but conscious of weight and balance I resisted.
Great place, we will return.
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I used to fly gliders at Enstone, wow that's a long time ago. Used to be a chap called Fred who taught me - is he still around? always flew in weliington boots. He used to carry a spanner as he sat behind you in case thew student 'froze'.
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Assume a runway has a declared length of 800 metres. If it were a licensed aerodrome, then this would make it a Code 2 runway. The runway itself would be 23 metres wide, enclosed in a strip 80 metres wide (40 metres each side of the centreline.) The holding point would be at least 40 metres from the runway centreline. The 80 metre strip should be completely free of any upstanding obstructions. You also need to consider a fan-like area sloping up from the beginning and the end of the runway, and another slope to the sides, all detailed in CAP168. Of course plenty of unlicensed aerodromes aren't fully compliant with these basic dimensions and operate perfectly safely. However, if you're looking for some numbers, there they are...
If that runway re-declared at 799 metres, then the numbers reduce somewhat...
TOO
If that runway re-declared at 799 metres, then the numbers reduce somewhat...
TOO
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Interesting, always wondered why runways have weird declared lengths. One of the places I fly from is Gamston which has a declared length of 1199 mtrs on a runway of 1683 mtrs.
Probably why Old Wardens extension is 150 mtrs as well.
150: there's one in the shed just being built at the moment, Paul is quite passionate in his aims and what he wants them to represent. Good on him I say.
Probably why Old Wardens extension is 150 mtrs as well.
150: there's one in the shed just being built at the moment, Paul is quite passionate in his aims and what he wants them to represent. Good on him I say.
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Could it be Netherthorpe?
I was waiting at the intersection for a plane to land on 06, when two of the local fliers overtook me and taxied up the side of 06 in the face of the incoming traffic.. Apparently the width of the grass is big enough for it to be used as a taxiway.
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2010-06-03.pdf
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Could it be Netherthorpe?
I was waiting at the intersection for a plane to land on 06, when two of the local fliers overtook me and taxied up the side of 06 in the face of the incoming traffic.. Apparently the width of the grass is big enough for it to be used as a taxiway.
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2010-06-03.pdf
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Interesting, always wondered why runways have weird declared lengths. One of the places I fly from is Gamston which has a declared length of 1199 mtrs on a runway of 1683 mtrs.
Probably why Old Wardens extension is 150 mtrs as well.
Probably why Old Wardens extension is 150 mtrs as well.
At a licensed airfield there must at least be a pattern A holding point for each runway at a safe distance from that runway. Technically if you taxy over that its a runway incursion, so you can consider any area the other side(runway side) of a holding point as the runway. Even a strip alongside the main marked runway is technically still the runway and after landing you have not technically cleared the the runway until you have cleared the pattern A holding point.
At an unlicensed airfield who knows!
Running up on old non maintained tarmac may damage your prop, something to consider if on a loose surface.
To my mind its always safer and wiser to face the approach for runups. We/I ban turning into wind below 20 knots and below 20 degrees temp
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What's wrong with Netherthorpe, that's were I am learning to fly lol
Bit too scary for me, call me a wuss if you must. My head must have looked like that bird on the Exorcist when I took off, talk about eyes on a swivel.
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As i recall when we licensed Perranporth (normal RAF size runways) we would have had to 'improve both grass edges to a point that an aircraft could 'run off' without collapsing is legs.As one side was under plough we went for an 'inset offset lic runway with one grass edge and the other usable tarmac. This left a wide band on one side however it was still part of the 'safety strip' therefore could not be obstructed.We also improved the grass edged part to form an unlicensed grass strip 600m x 15m. If we had not needed the lic we could just operate as we wished to suit our own needs. I suggest that an aircraft taxying or holding on the safety strip would constitute an obstacle therefore the lic would be void at that time.If the landing machine did not require a lic runway then this would not preclude its use.Despite providing 2x lic tarmac and 1x ul tarmac runway plus 3 smooth grass strips some visitors still complained about a landing fee and then of course we still had to battle with the local Council just to stay open.Ah the joys of GA;and i have to say that during all this the CAA lic dept were a pleasure to deal with and a constant help to defeat the bad guys at Carrick Dis Council.
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As a matter of vague interest, why was 01/19 never licenced ?.
It is a tad short but it looks usefull for when the wind is NW to N, these tend to be quite strong in winter.
It is a tad short but it looks usefull for when the wind is NW to N, these tend to be quite strong in winter.
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I guessed at Enstone too. It does give rise to some confusion in interpreting the rules.
So strictly according to CAP393:
'runway' means an area, whether or not paved, which is provided for the take-off
or landing of aircraft.
and
a flying machine or glider shall not land on a runway at an
aerodrome if there are other aircraft on the runway.
The area provided for t/o and landing at Enstone is that which is marked up on part of the old runway. So my understanding is that only that area need be vacant to legally land or take off.
However the space on the old tarmac north of the marked strip doesn't leave a lot of margin for clearance, especially when motor gliders have their wing tips nudging the edge of the strip.
So good airmanship would suggest adding a margin to the sides and ends of the strip when it is being used.
Be careful where you vacate though as there have been incidents with aircraft fouling on the fence of the Northside grass runway or catching on broken drain covers on the south edge of the runway.
So strictly according to CAP393:
'runway' means an area, whether or not paved, which is provided for the take-off
or landing of aircraft.
and
a flying machine or glider shall not land on a runway at an
aerodrome if there are other aircraft on the runway.
The area provided for t/o and landing at Enstone is that which is marked up on part of the old runway. So my understanding is that only that area need be vacant to legally land or take off.
However the space on the old tarmac north of the marked strip doesn't leave a lot of margin for clearance, especially when motor gliders have their wing tips nudging the edge of the strip.
So good airmanship would suggest adding a margin to the sides and ends of the strip when it is being used.
Be careful where you vacate though as there have been incidents with aircraft fouling on the fence of the Northside grass runway or catching on broken drain covers on the south edge of the runway.