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Old 16th Oct 2014, 20:36
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VERY Short Approach

Short Approach at KSNA.. Please don't try this without proper training. Enjoy the video.


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Short Approach KSNA - YouTube

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Old 16th Oct 2014, 21:28
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Tug pilots do it with a rope.......in a taildragger
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 21:41
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Nothing there any competent experienced PPL couldn't do. Safer than those long, low dragged-in approaches one sees, off a bomber circuit. And much more appreciated by those behind you in the circuit, or paying the flying bills while waiting on the ground for their next lift / glider tow!

Oh, and it's more fun, too!
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 21:51
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This guy may have that one beat and with no option of resorting to power.


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Old 16th Oct 2014, 23:01
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Why is he taking away this landing from his student? Better to make the approach not-so-short but let the guy fly who pays for it. And why is he fiddling and twisting around with his throttle all the time? That drives me mad just by looking.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 00:25
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Pretty normal I would think apart from the fiddling, perhaps the left seat guy was a trial lesson thing otherwise I'd be pissed off, the dead stick job was pretty neat though.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 00:44
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perhaps the left seat guy was a trial lesson thing
Oooo, if that were a trial lesson, I'd be having a talk with the instructor! We don't want to be scaring away the students! (I was "told" a few times early in my flying career!)
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 09:11
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I see lots of similar approaches at my home base. No2 and sometimes No3 will lose patience, peel off and land while No1 trundles on with his Bomber circuit to a two mile final.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 13:13
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So why did he land on the numbers and then trundle for miles to the far end of the runway to the taxiway? Far better airmanship to have landed deeper into the runway to allow for a much shorter taxi to the turn off.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 13:49
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So why did he land on the numbers and then trundle for miles to the far end of the runway to the taxiway? Far better airmanship to have landed deeper into the runway to allow for a much shorter taxi to the turn off.
I don't think he did. I think he was floating for about 18 seconds before the touchdown happened. At least that's how it looks to me.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 14:05
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I was taught in the '60's to do curved approaches like that, in Austers, but with a hefty side-slip, full flap and no power, roll out at 20', and thus a much steeper descent. You had to hit the touchdown point accurately, or go on practising until you could do that very time.

My instructor believed in teaching students to fly, really fly, not just to pass the PPL GFT. One result was that forced landings for people he taught were no big deal.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 16:15
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What is it that he is twiddling? Shirley the throttle is just a push pull?
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 17:20
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Shirley the throttle is just a push pull?
Oh... where I could go with that!.....
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 18:57
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I thought it must be the friction system, though why he keeps on doing it beats me. I have this tactile memory of a push/pull throttle, maybe a Cessna model, with a friction control like that; I think you turned it clockwise to lock the thing in place, and vv.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 19:03
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I used to fly a C205 (yes, 205) that had a vernier throttle. Prefer a proper lever myself. Plungers are for 1950s car chokes.
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Didn't look like a short approach to me; Just a pointlessly low final turn... he floated for half a mile.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 20:58
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Just a pointlessly low final turn... he floated for half a mile
Yup, probably added 5 knots for mum and the kids, and in this case, that did prevent a spin in from a low tight turn on final.
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The sportstar has a very similar throttle, where rotating is fine control, and you only push when to make big changes.
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You can't see it in the video but in the position where he starts his base turn, he's overhead tall buildings that top out at about half circuit height, or higher. It'd be fun to watch from that vantage point.

I don't like steep turns close to the ground myself, but a friend does that kind of approach all the time when I fly with him. His father died at 90 a short time ago, after a long life of flying... and for 40 years he told the son not to do that!

Presumably people have seen a vernier throttle before.

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Old 18th Oct 2014, 03:09
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Presumably people have seen a vernier throttle before.
I've got one in the Maule and I really like it.
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