Do I need to file a GAR from Isle of Man to Northern Ireland and vice versa?

[Phororhacos]

I am UK mainland based flying a G-reg a/c.

I'm planning a trip to Isle of Man, which requires a 12 hr notice GAR from UK Mainland and back.

If whilst on Isle of Man I decide to visit Northern Ireland and return to IoM, do I need a GAR either way for that excursion? Skydemon, (usually well informed) suggests not.

(It is possibly a bit cheeky in asking this here as as I have asked the same question on another forum, but as yet with no replies, so if you have replied on the other side, feel free to ignore this.)

[Thatsthewaytodoit]

Google is your friend

See this link

https://www.gov.im/media/90699/gar_g...structions.pdf

[Andrewgr2]

Thatsthewaytodoit - or is it?

Tatsthewaytodoit's link is to a classically abstruse notice which leaves me, and no doubt the OP somewhat confused.

I think I have learned that I should not, recently, have flown from an 'Other Airfield' directly to the Channel Islands, and back - even though SkyDemon was happy to accept the GAR, and no question was raised on arrival in the Channel Islands. The paragraph that makes me think that I should not have done this is the one that states, quite clearly:

Other Airfields – International flights should only operate to/from the E.U. (Channel Islands are not part of the E.U.)

On the other hand, further up the document I read:

NOTE: For Customs purposes the territory of the EU includes both the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

Presumably the restriction on flights from 'Other Airfields' is nothing to do with Customs - but the document doesn't say what it is to do with.

The document does include the paragraph:

All flights departing and arriving in the Isle of Man notified for Customs, Immigration and Police purposes should be sent to:...

This would suggest that some flights departing or arriving in the Isle of Man are not notified for the stated purposes. Perhaps the OP's flight would be one of these?

Incidentally, if you want to go to the Channel Islands and don't have the foresight to file a GAR the requisite 12 hours in advance, I believe that a quick en-route stop in, say, Cherbourg, gets round the requirement. No GAR required for a flight from the UK to Cherbourg, and no GAR required for a flight from Cherbourg to the CI. On the return trip, a GAR would, of course, have to be filed 4 hours in advance of the flight from Cherbourg.

[Andrewgr2]

For Customs purposes the territory of the EU includes both the Isle of Man and the Ch

But they sell genuine 'Duty Free' in the Channel Islands. I thought there was no 'Duty Free' within the EU. And that's certainly a 'Customs purpose'

[Phororhacos]

Thanks. I hadn't seen that document but having read it https://www.gov.im/media/90699/gar_g...structions.pdf I am indeed still confused.

This is a private flight, no paying passengers, so as far as I understand it not notifiable under Anti-Terrorism and crime act 2003 but I am planning a flight to a non designated airport in NI .

So I am still puzzled. Do I need to file a GAR, or alternatively a IoM GAR to IoM authorities for either leg, and if so how much notice?

[mde]

gars

Just file the GARS there is no penalty for filing too many and there is no requirement to cancell unused GARS, minimum 12 hours do it today for next week/month and just worry about the weather
Enjoy the trip

[dublinpilot]

Yes you do need to file the GAR.

Terrorism Act 2000 Section 121

“the Islands” means the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man,

So "The Islands" includes the Isle of Man.


Terrorism Act 2000, Schedule 7, Section 12 (1)

12.—(1) This paragraph applies to a journey—
(a) to Great Britain from the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland or any
of the Islands,
(b) from Great Britain to any of those places,
(c) to Northern Ireland from Great Britain, the Republic of Ireland or any
of the Islands, or
(d) from Northern Ireland to any of those places.

Your flights fall into category C and D, so this paragraph applies to them.

Terrorism Act 2000, Schedule 7, Section 12(3)

(3) Where an aircraft is employed on a journey to which this paragraph
applies otherwise than to carry passengers for reward, the captain of the aircraft
shall not permit it to call at or leave a port in Great Britain or Northern
Ireland unless—
(a) the port is a designated port, or
(b) he gives at least 12 hours’ notice in writing to a constable for the police
area in which the port is situated (or, where the port is in Northern
Ireland, to a member of the Royal Ulster Constabulary).
(4) A designated port is a port which appears in the Table at the end of this
Schedule.
(5) The Secretary of State may by order—
(a) add an entry to the Table;
(b) remove an entry from the Table.

You have to give 12 hours notice to the police (which is done via a GAR) unless your airport is designated. Ronaldsway on the Isle of Man is designated. So you may have an out, if your airport in Northern Island is designated, but your handling agent at Ronaldsway will probably insist on you giving them a GAR anyway.

I hope that makes it clear.

[cambioso]

How about a simple answer to your question?

How about a simple answer to your question..........................Yes

[Phororhacos]

Thanks everybody. Now I understand.