New Visa Requirements for Training in the U.S.A.
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thx nap!
I read that yesterday before i posted my reply. It was unclear to me if a R/I visa must be 'degraded', so to speak. To qoute from your text: "Requiring Change of Status From B to F-1 or M-1 Nonimmigrant". Since i dont have a B visa, i personally dont see a need to change since R/I is not specificly mentioned. Or am I looking at this wrong? Is the above qoute the exact wording it uses in the rule?
Here a little theory of mine
: Assuming the letters in the alphabet give priority to the Visa's (so it seems to me). B visa being less privileged, with F & M being more privileged. R being even further back in the alphabet would have to be even more privileged then, wouldn't it? Just a theory though
I dont really know who/where else to ask but the INS, but i'm kinda afraid of what could happen, since i also attended school well into June.
So if you have any insight or knowledge of this, that would be awesome.
I read that yesterday before i posted my reply. It was unclear to me if a R/I visa must be 'degraded', so to speak. To qoute from your text: "Requiring Change of Status From B to F-1 or M-1 Nonimmigrant". Since i dont have a B visa, i personally dont see a need to change since R/I is not specificly mentioned. Or am I looking at this wrong? Is the above qoute the exact wording it uses in the rule?
Here a little theory of mine
: Assuming the letters in the alphabet give priority to the Visa's (so it seems to me). B visa being less privileged, with F & M being more privileged. R being even further back in the alphabet would have to be even more privileged then, wouldn't it? Just a theory though I dont really know who/where else to ask but the INS, but i'm kinda afraid of what could happen, since i also attended school well into June.
So if you have any insight or knowledge of this, that would be awesome.
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mattpilot,
You will find the answer in here:
They did not list other Visas since on some Visas you are allowed to pursue studies. In your case this is what your Visa allows you to do:
Take Care,
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
You will find the answer in here:
Why Is This Change Limited to B Nonimmigrants?
In the process of drafting this rule, the Service considered making its requirements (i.e., that nonimmigrants obtain a student visa before being able to take courses) apply to anyone in the United States not currently in student status. Such a requirement would be broader than the rule as presently drafted, which applies just to nonimmigrants in B-1 or B-2 visitor status.
B nonimmigrants generally enter the United States for purposes of tourism or for a business trip. Pursuing a course of study is inconsistent with these purposes, and thus inconsistent with B status. However, pursuit of studies generally is consistent with most other nonimmigrant statuses, and thus such a broader rule could have unintended and overly burdensome consequences for such nonimmigrants. For some, such a J-1 au pair or an H-3 trainee, the courses might be an integral part of the program for which they obtained their status. For many dependent spouses, such as H-4s, derivatives of A or G diplomats, or NAFTA TN-2s, studies may be their only permissible pursuit while accompanying their spouse who is working in the United States. Dependent children are, in fact, expected to attend school. Even some principals in nonimmigrant status (e.g., H-1Bs, L-1s) may take courses incident to status to enhance their professional development. Requiring that these individuals change to F-1 or M-1 status in order to pursue studies would eliminate their ability to attend part-time, since by statute F-1s and M-1s must be pursuing a full course of study and since a nonimmigrant is prohibited from holding more than one onimmigrant status while in the United States.
In the process of drafting this rule, the Service considered making its requirements (i.e., that nonimmigrants obtain a student visa before being able to take courses) apply to anyone in the United States not currently in student status. Such a requirement would be broader than the rule as presently drafted, which applies just to nonimmigrants in B-1 or B-2 visitor status.
B nonimmigrants generally enter the United States for purposes of tourism or for a business trip. Pursuing a course of study is inconsistent with these purposes, and thus inconsistent with B status. However, pursuit of studies generally is consistent with most other nonimmigrant statuses, and thus such a broader rule could have unintended and overly burdensome consequences for such nonimmigrants. For some, such a J-1 au pair or an H-3 trainee, the courses might be an integral part of the program for which they obtained their status. For many dependent spouses, such as H-4s, derivatives of A or G diplomats, or NAFTA TN-2s, studies may be their only permissible pursuit while accompanying their spouse who is working in the United States. Dependent children are, in fact, expected to attend school. Even some principals in nonimmigrant status (e.g., H-1Bs, L-1s) may take courses incident to status to enhance their professional development. Requiring that these individuals change to F-1 or M-1 status in order to pursue studies would eliminate their ability to attend part-time, since by statute F-1s and M-1s must be pursuing a full course of study and since a nonimmigrant is prohibited from holding more than one onimmigrant status while in the United States.
(I) upon a basis of reciprocity, an alien who is a bona fide representative of foreign press, radio, film, or other foreign information media, who seeks to enter the United States solely to engage in such vocation, and the spouse and children of such a representative if accompanying or following to join him;
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
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Well, I see no explanation from Richard as to his "Captain" title.
Perhaps he might want to check out another thread on this forum: "Shirts, Ties, Epaulettes and Flying Suits".
You can call me "General"; no wait, "Admiral of the Fleet" has a nice ring to it ...
Perhaps he might want to check out another thread on this forum: "Shirts, Ties, Epaulettes and Flying Suits".
You can call me "General"; no wait, "Admiral of the Fleet" has a nice ring to it ...
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MLS-12D,
Sorry I missed your question. You will find your answer here:
Captain Title
Take Care,
Richard
Sorry I missed your question. You will find your answer here:
Captain Title
Take Care,
Richard
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Richard,
Many thanks for your reply, and for the link.
Personally I think it is in questionable taste to continue to use a title when one is no longer occupying the position, but I concede that this practice is widespread in the USA: witness all the "Senators", "Judges", "Ambasadors" and "Presidents" who have been out of office for many years.
As airlines are simply private corporations, I have to agree with "Sensible" that anyone who holds any pilot qualification is perfectly free to designate him or herself as "Captain". It's sort of like all those "Pastors" (even "Bishops", now!) that you see on television: yes it's completely pretentious, but why are those religions any less illegitimate than the more established churches?
If you enjoy calling yourself Captain, more power to you. I speculate that you are much more approachable in person ... hope so anyway!
Many thanks for your reply, and for the link.
Personally I think it is in questionable taste to continue to use a title when one is no longer occupying the position, but I concede that this practice is widespread in the USA: witness all the "Senators", "Judges", "Ambasadors" and "Presidents" who have been out of office for many years.
As airlines are simply private corporations, I have to agree with "Sensible" that anyone who holds any pilot qualification is perfectly free to designate him or herself as "Captain". It's sort of like all those "Pastors" (even "Bishops", now!) that you see on television: yes it's completely pretentious, but why are those religions any less illegitimate than the more established churches?
If you enjoy calling yourself Captain, more power to you. I speculate that you are much more approachable in person ... hope so anyway!
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MLS-12D,
Not sure what you are trying to get at. If you would like to know if I am actively involved with an airline, the answer is yes. I am currently the Director of Operations for an Airline that is expanding in my region and I am a Captain.
If you have a problem with the title or some other issue feel free to email me.
Take Care,
Richard
Not sure what you are trying to get at. If you would like to know if I am actively involved with an airline, the answer is yes. I am currently the Director of Operations for an Airline that is expanding in my region and I am a Captain.
If you have a problem with the title or some other issue feel free to email me.
Take Care,
Richard
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I must support Richard also, to try and belittle him for such unimportant drivvel as how he signs his name is rather more a reflection on those who find this to be worth mentioning.
I judge Richard by what he contributes to aviation not what he calls himself.
He could dress in drag and call himself Miss Richard for all I care. that still would not change his contributions to aviation.
Cat Driver
I judge Richard by what he contributes to aviation not what he calls himself.
He could dress in drag and call himself Miss Richard for all I care. that still would not change his contributions to aviation.
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The USA is great for timebuilding,many local pilots will guide you for free,instruction or training is such only if LOGGED as training,the local opinion is that you will get better training at a 61 school and much more value for your money if you choose the right one.Not being able to train at a local school is UGLY.I am not familiar with naples or any other 141,I know what the locals do.Due to the latest restrictions by the GOV. and the PEOPLE I would doubt the benefits of training in the USA and go for touring and timebuilding only-cant beat 25$ an hour on a muscle cessna 150/150 2 people.Remember that many that came for training left without the certificate due to hidden costs and bankrupt schools.The average 61 school allowed you to PAY AS YOU GO,AND CHANGE SCHOOLS IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE INSTRUCTORS ,CRAPPY PLANES ETC. A student visa might put you in a blackmail situation-be cheated-then deported and lose your money too! I really hope other countries will be able to improve and pick up what the americans threw away.
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A few facts in answer to your post.
1. If you are unhappy with you 141 school you may tranfer to another 141 school. Should the new school follow the same syllabus such as Jepessen then you can just pick up where you left off. Should the new school use a different approved syllabus, then the CFI will fly with the student and apply for a credit from the FAA.
2. If you are unhappy with the M1 school, then you may go to another Visa approved school and transfer your visa there. It is merely one form called an I-539 which consists of one page of personal details. Your options are open to transferring to an M1, a F1 or a J1 approved school therefore broadening your choice. Merely a paperwork process.
3. If you are looking for a structured professional course go 141. If you can study on your own and prefer the tick all the boxes route then go 61. The advantages of a 141 school though is that they are under far greater scrutiny for:
a. aircraft - inspect far more frequently than 61 schools
b. paperwork - god help you if you ticked a box you shouldn't have
c. success rate. (Need an 80% first time pass rate over a 2 year period)
d. Qualified personnel - at different levels of approval
Some of the 61 schools would not get approved for one of the above, however most would if they put in the effort on the paperwork, facility and structure. JAA approved schools are already following a similar paper trail so it would not be much adjustment.
1. If you are unhappy with you 141 school you may tranfer to another 141 school. Should the new school follow the same syllabus such as Jepessen then you can just pick up where you left off. Should the new school use a different approved syllabus, then the CFI will fly with the student and apply for a credit from the FAA.
2. If you are unhappy with the M1 school, then you may go to another Visa approved school and transfer your visa there. It is merely one form called an I-539 which consists of one page of personal details. Your options are open to transferring to an M1, a F1 or a J1 approved school therefore broadening your choice. Merely a paperwork process.
3. If you are looking for a structured professional course go 141. If you can study on your own and prefer the tick all the boxes route then go 61. The advantages of a 141 school though is that they are under far greater scrutiny for:
a. aircraft - inspect far more frequently than 61 schools
b. paperwork - god help you if you ticked a box you shouldn't have
c. success rate. (Need an 80% first time pass rate over a 2 year period)
d. Qualified personnel - at different levels of approval
Some of the 61 schools would not get approved for one of the above, however most would if they put in the effort on the paperwork, facility and structure. JAA approved schools are already following a similar paper trail so it would not be much adjustment.
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few comments on your post, Mr. 'Facts not fiction pls'
a) aircraft do not really get more inspections. Just the regular ones required by regulations & the 100h which is mandatory at 141. But i believe most part 61 schools do it anyway, even though they are not required (afaik)
b) happens all the time here at spartan - just fill out a new one
c) here at spartan (which is a pretty well known school), it is, depending on how many credits you have attempted, anywhere from 45%(24 credits = one academic year = 8 months) to 67% (114 credits)
d) qualified? yea right
most part 141 schools hire their own students.. and since all of them have no teaching experience the school has to get a waiver for each instructor they hire - and you can tell they are inexperienced, cause i got one who just finished training 1 month before i got him.
a) aircraft do not really get more inspections. Just the regular ones required by regulations & the 100h which is mandatory at 141. But i believe most part 61 schools do it anyway, even though they are not required (afaik)
b) happens all the time here at spartan - just fill out a new one
c) here at spartan (which is a pretty well known school), it is, depending on how many credits you have attempted, anywhere from 45%(24 credits = one academic year = 8 months) to 67% (114 credits)
d) qualified? yea right
most part 141 schools hire their own students.. and since all of them have no teaching experience the school has to get a waiver for each instructor they hire - and you can tell they are inexperienced, cause i got one who just finished training 1 month before i got him.
