Information about PPL, Single Engine and IFR
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Information about PPL, Single Engine and IFR
Hi everyone,
Could you please help me getting the answer to this questions:
- Can a PPL pilot with a IR rating, fly IFR on a single engine within the UK?
- What's the reason why the CAA doesn't allow comercial fights, IFR, on a single engine? safety? Is there any website that I can access that information? Spend lots of time on the CAA's but didn't find it...
I am not a pilot so please forgive me for the probably stupid questions.
Many many thanks!
Fernando
Could you please help me getting the answer to this questions:
- Can a PPL pilot with a IR rating, fly IFR on a single engine within the UK?
- What's the reason why the CAA doesn't allow comercial fights, IFR, on a single engine? safety? Is there any website that I can access that information? Spend lots of time on the CAA's but didn't find it...
I am not a pilot so please forgive me for the probably stupid questions.
Many many thanks!
Fernando
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From: Yorkshire
Hi Fernando
Yes.
The UK CAA take a very conservative and traditional approach to many things, and this is one. Dispite the overwhelming evidence of the safety of single engine turbine IFR operations, the CAA still consider it to be 'too dangerous' for Public Transport.
MJ
-Can a PPL pilot with a IR rating, fly IFR on a single engine within the UK?
- What's the reason why the CAA doesn't allow comercial fights, IFR, on a single engine? safety?
MJ
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I am not sure it is only safety reasons to forbid commercial single engine transport (all EASA states?), it may be prohibition as well. To my knowledge the most flown commercial plane in the world is the Cessna Caravan and by forbidding operations of these, they keep the most affordable planes out of the money making business in Europe and in many countries the politically not wanted air traffic down.
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Single Engine Turbine IFR commercial transport is allowed in France, probably something to do with the fact that the TBM 900 is manufactured in France.
Turboprops do fail from time to time, no very often but it happens even to single engine aeroplanes operating commercially, and even in France:
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2010/f-xz...z100905.en.pdf
Turboprops do fail from time to time, no very often but it happens even to single engine aeroplanes operating commercially, and even in France:
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2010/f-xz...z100905.en.pdf
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I recall from some meetings I went to umpty-ump years ago that the argument was basically between the UK and Switzerland about what should be permitted.
The UK, who built Islanders, said SE-IFR shouldn't be permitted.
Switzerland, who built PC12s, said it should.
It was all politics, and nobody was really very interested in the safety arguments which just were being manipulated to suit national desires.
G
The UK, who built Islanders, said SE-IFR shouldn't be permitted.
Switzerland, who built PC12s, said it should.
It was all politics, and nobody was really very interested in the safety arguments which just were being manipulated to suit national desires.
G
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Questions already been answered but for what it's worth, I agree that SEP IFR for commercial operations is probably not a good thing. I don't have tens of thousands of hours and I have seen piston engines do weird things that I don't think a paying commercial passenger should be subject to. Privately however is a different story because everyone flying privately should be aware and capable of doing their own risk assessment.
Turbine engines I have no problem with and think that SET public transport ops should be allowed, but it's up to the people with often little aviation background to decide on that one.
Turbine engines I have no problem with and think that SET public transport ops should be allowed, but it's up to the people with often little aviation background to decide on that one.
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EASA's NPA 2014-18 addresses the topic. It proposes introducing SET-IMC as a specific approval (Part-SPA).
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Hi everyone,
following our previous discussion, I would like to ask you:
- Is SE Commercial VFR legal/possible?
- If so, could you mention an example of a AOC that operates with this licence?
Many thanks
following our previous discussion, I would like to ask you:
- Is SE Commercial VFR legal/possible?
- If so, could you mention an example of a AOC that operates with this licence?
Many thanks
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- Is SE Commercial VFR legal/possible?
- If so, could you mention an example of a AOC that operates with this licence?
- If so, could you mention an example of a AOC that operates with this licence?
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As there are many sightseeing offers in 172/182s in the UK, I assume so. Also, given the EU turn lately a friend told me flight schools are now forced to be ATO under EASA regulations, which would render them commercial as well.
