Crossing Shark Infested Custard
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Crossing Shark Infested Custard
Hi Guys, a question for the more experienced.
Later this year I'm off in my Bulldog to tour Scotland. I am very experienced, but am rather used to flying in controlled airspace in a big jet. I do have an IR and my Bulldog has an excellent IR fit with twin VOR, twin Sat Nav etc.
On the first leg I need to transit Turweston to Carlisle. I would prefer to stay fairly low (mainly for the view), but need to safety transit Manchester/Liverpool CTZ. I am aware of the high ground to the east and am not overly keen on flying over water for any distance. I need also to have a bad weather plan. I gather the Manchester VFR corridor is busy. I also need to keep the plan simple.
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Later this year I'm off in my Bulldog to tour Scotland. I am very experienced, but am rather used to flying in controlled airspace in a big jet. I do have an IR and my Bulldog has an excellent IR fit with twin VOR, twin Sat Nav etc.
On the first leg I need to transit Turweston to Carlisle. I would prefer to stay fairly low (mainly for the view), but need to safety transit Manchester/Liverpool CTZ. I am aware of the high ground to the east and am not overly keen on flying over water for any distance. I need also to have a bad weather plan. I gather the Manchester VFR corridor is busy. I also need to keep the plan simple.
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Fly down the corridor and look out 
you'll get traffic information from Manchester if they have time.
Or go up the East coast, and forget about Carlisle it wont add much time to your flight and it's a much easier flight for flying VFR. Stop at Breighton, then at Perth or Fife.
you'll get traffic information from Manchester if they have time.Or go up the East coast, and forget about Carlisle
it wont add much time to your flight and it's a much easier flight for flying VFR. Stop at Breighton, then at Perth or Fife.
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I fly a Bulldog based at Prestwick, and have been to Sywell twice, and Breighton a number of times. Weather does play a big factor in the routes - both times heading down to Sywell we had to fly from Carlisle over to the East coast before heading South, but did once manage to come up via the Manchester low level corridor (popping into Barton for some fuel) and routed up the West coast.
The key is to plan both routes - we found that even with lowish cloud you could get from Carlisle over to the East coast by heading along the Derwent -> Hexham -> Haltwhistle route.
I'd agree with Dan about stopping at Breighton. Great wee airfield with cheap self service fuel and some interesting aircraft to see if you have the time.
Feel free to pop into Prestwick and see us!
The key is to plan both routes - we found that even with lowish cloud you could get from Carlisle over to the East coast by heading along the Derwent -> Hexham -> Haltwhistle route.
I'd agree with Dan about stopping at Breighton. Great wee airfield with cheap self service fuel and some interesting aircraft to see if you have the time.
Feel free to pop into Prestwick and see us!
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Thanks guys for the advice, keep it coming. My next stop after Carlisle is indeed Prestwick. I also want to minimise the flying hours so might want to stick to the west coast as I'm heading for Oban & Glenforsa.
Unless they have lowered the TMA/CTA since I last looked, the transit round the East of the Manchester CTR has just enough headroom to be do-able and is very pretty. This has to be strictly CAVOK though as there is no room for IMC safety altitude.
Perhaps a silly question, but if you are IR rated and equipped, why not file a flight plan routing direct overhead MAN? A South-North transit through the overhead should cause ATC no trouble at all.
Perhaps a silly question, but if you are IR rated and equipped, why not file a flight plan routing direct overhead MAN? A South-North transit through the overhead should cause ATC no trouble at all.
I think what Jan is saying (humorously) is that many private pilots would have used a heading "Advice needed for flight to Scotland" to attract the right kind of info. By using your (humorous) title you appear to be hiding the real inent of your post.
He then surmises that this is because of your long hours slaving over controls of big jets....
Made me laugh anyway
He then surmises that this is because of your long hours slaving over controls of big jets....
Made me laugh anyway
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Perhaps a silly question, but if you are IR rated and equipped, why not file a flight plan routing direct overhead MAN? A South-North transit through the overhead should cause ATC no trouble at all
Well that's how I would envision a stress free flying holiday anyway.
Have a good time and enjoy the highlands.
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In reply to all, yes I could file a CA48 and cruise IMC all the way, but where is the fun in that? Plus, if it is windy aloft I'll take all day with my cruising speed. I have now decided to go up the west coast and refuel at Woodvale. After all, the aeroplane started life there in 1974 as the personal steed of the Boss of the UAS. But I'm sure Liverpool with give me a crossing at a few thousand feet. Alternatively route via Wallasey at 1500 ft.
By the way, if some of you think I am a fat old airline pilot only used to staring at a glass cockpit with the auto pilot engaged, think again. I have flown UK to Las Vegas single seat!
ps I'm not slim or young
By the way, if some of you think I am a fat old airline pilot only used to staring at a glass cockpit with the auto pilot engaged, think again. I have flown UK to Las Vegas single seat!
ps I'm not slim or young
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Agree the east coast is less stressful, talk to Scottish, enjoy the view, head west when it gets lumpy north of the rivers. Or cross the borders, Leeming Carlisle. Enjoy Scotland.
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No need to transit Manchester / Liverpool airspace, either go round the corner at WAL VFR not above 1500' or up the low level route turn left direct to Woodvale, would be nice to she her back where she belongs. After Woodvale your route north is simple
No need to transit Manchester / Liverpool airspace, either go round the corner at WAL VFR not above 1500' or up the low level route turn left direct to Woodvale, would be nice to she her back where she belongs. After Woodvale your route north is simple
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If you want to stay VFR (as some of us have to!), the West coast can be a 'bit difficult' with cloud building in front and on the high ground with a westerly airflow. On days like that the east coast is generally much easier.
Carlisle is a reasonable stop but on a VFR flight like this I would pick smaller and more interesting places than Prestwick. Pooleys is your friend.
If you are going to 'tour Scotland' then direct to Oban and Glenforsa leaves an awful lot out. I'd suggest going a little further north up the coast to Plockton and then either Orkney or Wick. Either means flying over some of the most rugged and desolate country in the UK (whilst it is still the UK!).
Given our prevailing weather the east is nearly always more reliable than the west for VFR flying but of course the scenery is in the middle or west!
Carlisle is a reasonable stop but on a VFR flight like this I would pick smaller and more interesting places than Prestwick. Pooleys is your friend.
If you are going to 'tour Scotland' then direct to Oban and Glenforsa leaves an awful lot out. I'd suggest going a little further north up the coast to Plockton and then either Orkney or Wick. Either means flying over some of the most rugged and desolate country in the UK (whilst it is still the UK!).
Given our prevailing weather the east is nearly always more reliable than the west for VFR flying but of course the scenery is in the middle or west!
I have flown UK to Las Vegas single seat!
Your title made me think immediately of officer selection exercises!
thank you Gasax :-)
Plockton (or UK10 as we referred to it) is my favourite destinations in the sim for NavEx. It looks like such a beautiful remote Scottish piece of GA heaven that I must start planning a trip for real up there.
Bringing a friend up there in the sim was always fun as there were a few gotcha's about UK10 , over a hill and drop drop , make sure to stop or swim swim.
Fond memories.
Plockton (or UK10 as we referred to it) is my favourite destinations in the sim for NavEx. It looks like such a beautiful remote Scottish piece of GA heaven that I must start planning a trip for real up there.
Bringing a friend up there in the sim was always fun as there were a few gotcha's about UK10 , over a hill and drop drop , make sure to stop or swim swim.
Fond memories.
