Plane makes precautionary landing.
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If the cause (adverse weather) as depicted in the BBC report is correct, was this weather pattern not predicted in the MET report?
Could this incident have been avoided with a proper preflight planning
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Could this incident have been avoided with a proper preflight planning
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Would this incident have been avoided with a proper preflight planning
Would this incident have been avoided with a proper preflight planning
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It is understandable that weather is a major challenging factor in aviation, but taking the advantage of available weather resources and in conjunction with profound abilities to interpret acquired information, the risks associated with a flight envelope could be substantially limited.
Could anyone provide information as to where the flight originated and the duration of the flight before this accident?
Just curious to find out how this incident is related to weather factors.
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Could anyone provide information as to where the flight originated and the duration of the flight before this accident?
Just curious to find out how this incident is related to weather factors.
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I have always assumed (obviously wrongly) that a "precautionary landing" was a change of plans due to WX or other reasons that meant landing at a different airfield other than a flight planned alternate. It seems to work OK for heli's, but to land in a field not suitable and also wrecking the aircraft in the process albeit no injuries seems not quite right. If he was surrounded by CB's and a rapidly lowering base, and it was a case of land/crash now or lose control well maybe.
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I have always assumed (obviously wrongly) that a "precautionary landing" was a change of plans due to WX or other reasons that meant landing at a different airfield other than a flight planned alternate
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but of course you did that in your PPL training didn't you!?
I agree with what you said, with a small but. The operative word is "Landing" this was a "Crash Landing" As I said before, if the alternate is getting completly out of control in sh*te WX with a high chance of Death/injury then yes land in a ploughed field against the furrows if neccessary and take your chances or keep busting Rule 5 until you find somewhere fit to land.
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Wow, why unknown or unprepared?
Doesn't really make sense to me.
Be advised of the unpredictiveness of emergency instances. Precautionary landing is landing at a site other than the intended landing site due to anticipation of unsustainable control of flight envelope.
Eventually, the landing can be at another airport or airfiled with suitable landing strip (grass or asphalt). It can actually be on land or water.
I remember the circumstances with a pilot who was enroute to Hawaii and had to perform precautionary landing in the ocean due to fuel starvation. The landing was successful (he survived it without injuries) and was picked up by coastal guards that was notified upfront. The aircraft sanked thereafter.
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Precautionary landing is landing in an unknown/unprepared field
Doesn't really make sense to me.
Be advised of the unpredictiveness of emergency instances. Precautionary landing is landing at a site other than the intended landing site due to anticipation of unsustainable control of flight envelope.
Eventually, the landing can be at another airport or airfiled with suitable landing strip (grass or asphalt). It can actually be on land or water.
I remember the circumstances with a pilot who was enroute to Hawaii and had to perform precautionary landing in the ocean due to fuel starvation. The landing was successful (he survived it without injuries) and was picked up by coastal guards that was notified upfront. The aircraft sanked thereafter.
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Would you still call it a crash landing if it had been on a runway, the nosegear went down a rabbit hole and the same outcome occurred?
I gather on the grapevine that the aircraft was from Prestwick Flight Centre, so it's travelled a bit of a distance, but not necessarily in one hop.
I'm not sure how many precautionary landings I've made - certainly a few: all in microlights, but the short field capability of the high wing Cessnas is reasonable and I'd not be troubled to attempt it. So far the worst damage I've suffered was an aeroplane covered in cowsh1te as the farmer had been muckspreading, and a dropped bolt which cost me £20 as I de-rigged to get the aircraft back to the airfield by road (most times I've flown out). Those who think that this is a really big deal, really have lived sheltered lives !
Not to say that runways aren't the preferred option - of course they are, but a well executed field or beach landing in an aeroplane with reasonable STOL performance really should be a non-event. Pilots not mentally prepared for that, really do need to stick to sunny days with high cloudbases.
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I gather on the grapevine that the aircraft was from Prestwick Flight Centre, so it's travelled a bit of a distance, but not necessarily in one hop.
I'm not sure how many precautionary landings I've made - certainly a few: all in microlights, but the short field capability of the high wing Cessnas is reasonable and I'd not be troubled to attempt it. So far the worst damage I've suffered was an aeroplane covered in cowsh1te as the farmer had been muckspreading, and a dropped bolt which cost me £20 as I de-rigged to get the aircraft back to the airfield by road (most times I've flown out). Those who think that this is a really big deal, really have lived sheltered lives !
Not to say that runways aren't the preferred option - of course they are, but a well executed field or beach landing in an aeroplane with reasonable STOL performance really should be a non-event. Pilots not mentally prepared for that, really do need to stick to sunny days with high cloudbases.
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Would you still call it a crash landing
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but of course you did that in your PPL training didn't you!?
Try to practice engine failure situation over the Alps during night flight circumstances (with limited visibility) and you will learn a serious lesson.
In real life threatening situations, only profound familiarity with cockpit resources and appropriate experience manipulating these resources to maintain sustainable flight envelope control will lead to a more positive outcome.
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I won't designate it as crash landing though.
The landing resulted to aircraft damage, but the outcome was positive in that cockpit remained intact and the individuals escaped without serious injuries.
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I won't designate it as crash landing though.
The landing resulted to aircraft damage, but the outcome was positive in that cockpit remained intact and the individuals escaped without serious injuries.
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Just my wrong choice of word arrangement. The landing ended up as a "crash" I dont know how to categorise a landing that ends up wrecking what was a perfectly serviceable aircraft until it's arrival on terra-firma irrespective of the landing ground. Unless I call it a crash.
I thought I had said that?
A couple of weeks ago a 172 was landing at Fairoaks and ended upside writing the aircraft off, the two occupants walked away. What was that?
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Precautionary landing is landing in an unknown/unprepared field due to weather or other reason, but still with a working engine (though one that is not working very well might also be a reason to do one). Assuming there is not a DESPERATE rush to get on the ground, the best way to do this is to make a practise approach, then overfly the landing area at low level to check the surface and any obstructions, followed by a low level circuit to land - but of course you did that in your PPL training didn't you!?
Any unplanned landing at an airfield would be called a 'diversion'.
An aircraft can 'crash' during any landing.
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Plane makes precautionary landing.
Although it may be the "norm" to stick plastic microlights into fields, when they can land at walking pace and don't have a lot of momentum/weight, I don't think the same can be said of proper aeroplanes! ;-) :-p
but I know what you mean. 
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If he was surrounded by CB's and a rapidly lowering base, and it was a case of land/crash now or lose control well maybe.
I carried out a precautionary landing ... but fortunately the runway at Norwich turned out to be in a convenient location.
So, somebody found themselves flying over some thick crops and decided to land in them. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense would see that at best it would be highly inconvenient and also had a good chance of pranging the aircraft, albeit in a way they'd probably survive. They decided that landing was still the best course of action and had the guts to do so.
Good for them.
Good for them.
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Photograph shows rather ominous looking power lines in the background.
Landing appears to be in long grass or crops. At this time of year crops are likely to be well grown ready for harvesting within the next month or so.
Most unfortunate that a more suitable field (or preferably an airfield) could not be found. Garmin button NRST.
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Landing appears to be in long grass or crops. At this time of year crops are likely to be well grown ready for harvesting within the next month or so.
Most unfortunate that a more suitable field (or preferably an airfield) could not be found. Garmin button NRST.
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