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Old 27th Feb 2014, 18:14
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Thanks for all the help bu I am officially confused (again).

This is the second major discrepancy between my OAA principles of flight textbook.

1. OAA repeatedly say that for a reciprocating, normally aspirated prop aircraft, Vy is the same TAS as Vmd whereas my instructor tells me that EASA expect Vmp.[ I think it is neither and merely the speed of max. excess power.]

2. That Vx IAS increases with Density Altitude.

very frustrating, who to trust?!
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I think it is neither and merely the speed of max. excess power.
I think you are right.

Vy should only be the same as either Vmp, or Vmd when both Vmp and Vmd are the same.

Oxford really need to get these things straightened out with their students!


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Old 27th Feb 2014, 21:51
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From my Cessna 185E POH (or whatever they called it in 1971):

Vx 75 mph +1/2 mph/1000' (65 mph w/Flaps 20)
Vy 100 mph -1/2 mph/1000'
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Old 27th Feb 2014, 22:01
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1. OAA repeatedly say that for a reciprocating, normally aspirated prop aircraft, Vy is the same TAS as Vmd whereas my instructor tells me that EASA expect Vmp.[ I think it is neither and merely the speed of max. excess power.]
It is generally accepted for exam level that for piston aircraft, Vy is roughly equal to Vmd. It is also generally accepted that Vx is roughly 1.1Vs but the exams assume it to be Vmp. Your statement above suggests that either you're instructor or your quote has slightly mixed the two speeds up in that case.
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I suspect both will be right but for different reasons.

1. Oxford will know that there is a question where the answer is what they have told you.

2. The other instructor is right because that's the way it actually works in real life.

from memory from quite a few years ago now there were several topics which they were looking for an answer which if you had an engineering degree where a load of rubbish.

In fact when doing the brush up course there was a couple of us who would start to ask a question and just get told "the world according to JAR" and that was the only answer we needed.
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In fact when doing the brush up course there was a couple of us who would start to ask a question and just get told "the world according to JAR" and that was the only answer we needed.
This is what I feared.

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It is generally accepted for exam level that for piston aircraft, Vy is roughly equal to Vmd. It is also generally accepted that Vx is roughly 1.1Vs but the exams assume it to be Vmp. Your statement above suggests that either you're instructor or your quote has slightly mixed the two speeds up in that case.
I definitely have not got them mixed up. This has been quite an issue with me and the school. I have written to OAA to get their justification.

Perhaps it is a Spanish thing! I am in Mallorca taking the AESA PPL(A)
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