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I'm slowly plodding away at my PPL. I've gotten some good advice and encouragement from PPRUNE.
I hope some day I'll be able to pay it back. Like others have said, I've run away quietly sobbing from AvCanada (only joking) because for a newbie the constant
"you're crap"
"Your instructor is crap"
"no one except me and a few elite others know how to fly nowadays"
gets really disheartening , really quickly for a newcomer.
I've never been shot down for asking stupid stuff and never felt that there was anything I couldn't ask. My flight school doesn't have much of a "hanger talk" culture so I get what I can from here. I don't have the time or luck to make all the mistakes there are to make. I need to learn from other people's as well. If you have a board where people are afraid to post, no one learns anything except to keep their mouths shut.
I hope some day I'll be able to pay it back. Like others have said, I've run away quietly sobbing from AvCanada (only joking) because for a newbie the constant
"you're crap"
"Your instructor is crap"
"no one except me and a few elite others know how to fly nowadays"
gets really disheartening , really quickly for a newcomer.
I've never been shot down for asking stupid stuff and never felt that there was anything I couldn't ask. My flight school doesn't have much of a "hanger talk" culture so I get what I can from here. I don't have the time or luck to make all the mistakes there are to make. I need to learn from other people's as well. If you have a board where people are afraid to post, no one learns anything except to keep their mouths shut.
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dubbleyew eight and others:
someone smarter than me said: "flying is done largely with the imagination".
What you dubbleyew and others may learn or have learned is this:
not how to fly
BUT (pre emptive high five) HOW TO LEARN/TEACH YOURSELF how to fly.
Imagining kicking the crab out (slang useage of the language)
or imagining how to maneuver a plane in a confined area.
But by doing it , safely thinking on the ground, you are expanding your brain and the ability to think about it, imagine, project, whatever word you like while in the sky.
The mind of a pilot becomes highly evolved/developed in the perception of multiple dimensions and options and , in a way like playing chess, you are ahead of the game by one, two or a dozen moves.
I read one thread in which one pilot constantly had an idea where to land and one response said this would be too much of a mental effort. IF you develop your "FLYING MIND" you will have surplus to handle things.
Others have called this : being ahead of the plane.
the reverse is: sitting in row 15 because you are so far behind the plane.
so , brave PPruners, learn to think like a pilot. And much of this can be started at home without the hobbs meter running (money). Build your brain so that when you get those precious moments in the sky, your brain can handle the things reality presents you with.
someone smarter than me said: "flying is done largely with the imagination".
What you dubbleyew and others may learn or have learned is this:
not how to fly
BUT (pre emptive high five) HOW TO LEARN/TEACH YOURSELF how to fly.
Imagining kicking the crab out (slang useage of the language)
or imagining how to maneuver a plane in a confined area.
But by doing it , safely thinking on the ground, you are expanding your brain and the ability to think about it, imagine, project, whatever word you like while in the sky.
The mind of a pilot becomes highly evolved/developed in the perception of multiple dimensions and options and , in a way like playing chess, you are ahead of the game by one, two or a dozen moves.
I read one thread in which one pilot constantly had an idea where to land and one response said this would be too much of a mental effort. IF you develop your "FLYING MIND" you will have surplus to handle things.
Others have called this : being ahead of the plane.
the reverse is: sitting in row 15 because you are so far behind the plane.
so , brave PPruners, learn to think like a pilot. And much of this can be started at home without the hobbs meter running (money). Build your brain so that when you get those precious moments in the sky, your brain can handle the things reality presents you with.
ah yes . . . imagination . .. that is definitely part of the game. .. even tho' many have said and believed that a heightened imagination is not a good thing . . . and pilot psych tests had a component to filter out those so endowed. .. and maybe still do.
(bloody psych tests . . fancy being asked to say whether your preference would be to go to a party or stay home and read a book .. . . (thank you! Macleod and Chandler.)
PG Taylor the renowned pilot/author in 'Call to the Winds' recounts flying round at night on charters in his Percival Gull -
"As night fell I was once again confronted with the discomforts attendant on having but one engine - and a fertile imagination."
One of the key components to maintaining good airmanship is to
conscientiously give yourself a good self-briefing prior to any days flying.
The key part of this has to do with alertness. Once the fundamentals of handling your aircraft soundly and competently are approaching second nature, that is the time to guard against complacency. To say to yourself. . . . stay alert . . . never let up on the good lookout . . scanning. . scanning. . all the time. Be almost birdlike in awareness of the moment. Expect the unexpected . . It may never happen. But that is no excuse for unpreparedness. No one can teach you any of this. It comes from acquiring the right attitude, a certain maturity that is the greatest skin saver.
It has little to do with the preaching of safety mantras. That has its own shortcomings in that it can too often become a hollow thing, the mouthing of platitudes. With the right frame of mind and heightened awareness it will follow naturally that you acquire a shield.
Without the need of mother dear to keep us from all harm.
(bloody psych tests . . fancy being asked to say whether your preference would be to go to a party or stay home and read a book .. . . (thank you! Macleod and Chandler.)
PG Taylor the renowned pilot/author in 'Call to the Winds' recounts flying round at night on charters in his Percival Gull -
"As night fell I was once again confronted with the discomforts attendant on having but one engine - and a fertile imagination."
One of the key components to maintaining good airmanship is to
conscientiously give yourself a good self-briefing prior to any days flying.
The key part of this has to do with alertness. Once the fundamentals of handling your aircraft soundly and competently are approaching second nature, that is the time to guard against complacency. To say to yourself. . . . stay alert . . . never let up on the good lookout . . scanning. . scanning. . all the time. Be almost birdlike in awareness of the moment. Expect the unexpected . . It may never happen. But that is no excuse for unpreparedness. No one can teach you any of this. It comes from acquiring the right attitude, a certain maturity that is the greatest skin saver.
It has little to do with the preaching of safety mantras. That has its own shortcomings in that it can too often become a hollow thing, the mouthing of platitudes. With the right frame of mind and heightened awareness it will follow naturally that you acquire a shield.
Without the need of mother dear to keep us from all harm.
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For sure thinking ahead so you do not get into a situation that will require more skill or aircraft performance than you have will go a long way towards not wrecking an aircraft.
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Right on, Heston and Chuck!
Yes indeed. Lately here in the middle of England, which is a tad damp and windy, I find a certain phrase useful...early in the morning,.after walking the dog to the far end of the paved runway, and observing that his ears are fully deployed,
"Sorry, but conditions today are over my personal limits!"
"Sorry, but conditions today are over my personal limits!"
"Would you take a deep breath please madam and blow hard in the tube?"
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But you raise an interesting point Chuck as to why so many who come
in here, as subscriber or guest, either rarely have anything to contribute or
are merely voyeurs. Somewhere between the garrulous and the inhibited there runs a golden thread. Praise be.
Have you any theory why the discussion and negativity on AvCanada has been as you describe? Is it part of a general malaise right across society?
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But you raise an interesting point Chuck as to why so many who come
in here, as subscriber or guest, either rarely have anything to contribute or
are merely voyeurs. Somewhere between the garrulous and the inhibited there runs a golden thread. Praise be.
Have you any theory why the discussion and negativity on AvCanada has been as you describe? Is it part of a general malaise right across society?
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I don't post much but am keen to learn. Don't think that makes me a voyeur. Threads where knowledgeable and experienced pilots discuss and debate in a respectful manner are very useful and interesting. The converse is also true, both in this context and in many others. For example, public transport would be a much more pleasant way to travel if more people abided by the useful rule of thumb "keep mouth shut until you have something intelligent to say!" Of course there is nothing wrong with an honest question....
I'm slowly plodding away at my PPL. I've gotten some good advice and encouragement from PPRUNE.
I hope some day I'll be able to pay it back. Like others have said, I've run away quietly sobbing from AvCanada (only joking) because for a newbie the constant
"you're crap"
"Your instructor is crap"
"no one except me and a few elite others know how to fly nowadays"
gets really disheartening , really quickly for a newcomer.
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I hope some day I'll be able to pay it back. Like others have said, I've run away quietly sobbing from AvCanada (only joking) because for a newbie the constant
"you're crap"
"Your instructor is crap"
"no one except me and a few elite others know how to fly nowadays"
gets really disheartening , really quickly for a newcomer.
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Last year the Avcanada moderators starting getting serious about cracking down on posters who were only interested in insulting and demeaning others. This caused the departure of several well known troublemakers. Since then I think the site has improved considerably although I admit, in general, pprune is a still a bit more civil.
However the flight training forum in Avcanada is IMO much better than the one in pprune. It is very active and has many threads which discuss practical flying matters in a useful way.
Also Pilot DAR now regularly posts on Avcanada.
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I don’t think I am unusual in that I don’t often post but doread a lot. As a glider pilot who onlyflies club gliders I have limited experience but find PPRuNe gives me a usefulinsight to how other airspace users see things, the problems they encounter andthe different solutions suggested. Likemany others I have noticed certain posters are very worth reading fully whilsta few others are treated with a great deal of scepticism and in a few casesadded to my Ignore List. Generally Ithink I have learnt a good deal of information that can contribute to saferflying. Thanks to all those who contribute to those interesting threads.
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Learned some and laughed some
Most of my learnings have come *after* my PPL, and I'm still learning with a long way to go, as I'm a low hour "in the kill zone" (200hrs) PPL.
Listening avidly to other pilots around different hangars, flying with other PPL's to different airfields and countries and reading interesting books like How and Why Pilots Die.
Mostly what I learned on PPRune was to not follow an Ag / GA commercial career and just enjoy flying for what it is to me - a really fun hobby.
Listening avidly to other pilots around different hangars, flying with other PPL's to different airfields and countries and reading interesting books like How and Why Pilots Die.
Mostly what I learned on PPRune was to not follow an Ag / GA commercial career and just enjoy flying for what it is to me - a really fun hobby.
the 'voyeur' reference was tongue in cheek
Travelled a lot on the chube in and around London recently. Not always a pleasant experience. My dear old travel agent in Devonport, Tasmania (East West loco on proone) describes England as his favourite 3rd world country. It is little better in large parts of Sydney and Melbourne.
There's so much that the student pilot can pick up from various websites.
On PPRuNe in the archive if you go hunting there are posts that point you to
very best of books written by the Conrads of the air. When people ask, I always recommend starting with Ann Welch's ACCIDENTS HAPPEN then Alan Bramson's BE A BETTER PILOT (it's never too late PO Prune)
Looking to the broader canvas, for a taste of a brilliant airman's livelong devotion to the air, search out the posts of 'Duke Elegant'. He's dead now. But many of his friends and acquaintances will be thinking RIP Les for a long long time.
public transport would be a much more pleasant way to travel if more people abided by the useful rule of thumb "keep mouth shut until you have something intelligent to say!"
There's so much that the student pilot can pick up from various websites.
On PPRuNe in the archive if you go hunting there are posts that point you to
very best of books written by the Conrads of the air. When people ask, I always recommend starting with Ann Welch's ACCIDENTS HAPPEN then Alan Bramson's BE A BETTER PILOT (it's never too late PO Prune)
Looking to the broader canvas, for a taste of a brilliant airman's livelong devotion to the air, search out the posts of 'Duke Elegant'. He's dead now. But many of his friends and acquaintances will be thinking RIP Les for a long long time.
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Fantome, I trust you were not suggesting that I need breathalyzing when I mentioned the morning check on the wind strength and direction by walking my Dachshund to the end of the paved runway at the gliding club. Though some club members may find it wiser to postpone flying until after lunch when the intake of beer has had time to clear the brain, the hound and I strictly follow the advice of Benjamin Franklin: early to bed and early to rise. And early to research the weather by every means, including personal observation.
To be able to declare that conditions are over my personal limits is a very good doctrine. I have been badly frightened flying in obscene weather, and try to avoid it when possible. It is difficult to teach a newbie to fly when the apparent effects of the controls are distorted by turbulence. And it is even worse to give a complete newcomer a rough ride for his first experience, he probably would never come back again.
To be able to declare that conditions are over my personal limits is a very good doctrine. I have been badly frightened flying in obscene weather, and try to avoid it when possible. It is difficult to teach a newbie to fly when the apparent effects of the controls are distorted by turbulence. And it is even worse to give a complete newcomer a rough ride for his first experience, he probably would never come back again.
dear Mary . . . have to agree with every word of that. (Why does the sound of a young sprog upchucking into his oxy mask come back from aeons ago?)
Speaking of Franklin, only received an email today where he is mentioned in another context. Pardon the 'French' at the end. (Not my words, for once.)
QUOTE -
Here's to my dear friends who enjoy a glass of wine. . . and to those who don't,
but who seem always to have a bottle of water handy -
Benjamin Franklin it was who said:
In wine there is wisdom.
In beer there is freedom.
In water there is bacteria.
In a number of carefully controlled trials,
scientists have shown that if we drink
1 litre of water a day,
after a year we will have absorbed
more than 1 kg of Escherichia Coli, (E. Coli) - a bacteria
found in faeces.
However, we do not run that risk when drinking wine or beer
or rum or whisky, because alcohol has to go
through a purification process of boiling, filtering and fermenting.
Therefore it is better to drink wine and be
brilliant than to drink water and be full of ****.
Speaking of Franklin, only received an email today where he is mentioned in another context. Pardon the 'French' at the end. (Not my words, for once.)
QUOTE -
Here's to my dear friends who enjoy a glass of wine. . . and to those who don't,
but who seem always to have a bottle of water handy -
Benjamin Franklin it was who said:
In wine there is wisdom.
In beer there is freedom.
In water there is bacteria.
In a number of carefully controlled trials,
scientists have shown that if we drink
1 litre of water a day,
after a year we will have absorbed
more than 1 kg of Escherichia Coli, (E. Coli) - a bacteria
found in faeces.
However, we do not run that risk when drinking wine or beer
or rum or whisky, because alcohol has to go
through a purification process of boiling, filtering and fermenting.
Therefore it is better to drink wine and be
brilliant than to drink water and be full of ****.
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So for those who think there is no value in this forum. In the recent "Increase in Weight demands an increase in Power" thread, I put my hand up and said I dont understand some stuff. I am currently studying for my BAK exam, so the timing was great for me to get a better understanding of weight and balance stuff. Some answers made me go off and do some more research which in turn resulted in my Google search turning up some more good info from pprune.
So there is this assumption, that if you are learning to fly planes, you must be loaded with cash. Truth is, with most people this is not the case. So places like this that give up info freely are a great resource.
FWIW, my club has an example test with 150 odd BAK questions. I did it 2 days ago an managed 87%. A pass if I was sitting the real exam, but left me unsatisfied. If it were not for pprune, I doubt I would have managed that. I have only done about a week of solid study, but this forum has provided a lot of info (mostly through google searches) that has helped me along.
So if you think you contribution is insignificant, you are wrong. I have taken a lot from here, both in theory and practical knowledge. Keep it up folks, us noobs appreciate it.
So there is this assumption, that if you are learning to fly planes, you must be loaded with cash. Truth is, with most people this is not the case. So places like this that give up info freely are a great resource.
FWIW, my club has an example test with 150 odd BAK questions. I did it 2 days ago an managed 87%. A pass if I was sitting the real exam, but left me unsatisfied. If it were not for pprune, I doubt I would have managed that. I have only done about a week of solid study, but this forum has provided a lot of info (mostly through google searches) that has helped me along.
So if you think you contribution is insignificant, you are wrong. I have taken a lot from here, both in theory and practical knowledge. Keep it up folks, us noobs appreciate it.
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Yes agreed with one reservation that you are very cautious over the information given which may or may not be accurate.
There are posters who are very much respected who should be listened too and others who should be taken with a pinch of salt.
As for my ramblings
cautious
Pace
Yes agreed with one reservation that you are very cautious over the information given which may or may not be accurate.
There are posters who are very much respected who should be listened too and others who should be taken with a pinch of salt.
As for my ramblings
cautious Pace
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Originally Posted by Pace
Andy P
Yes agreed with one reservation that you are very cautious over the information given which may or may not be accurate.
There are posters who are very much respected who should be listened too and others who should be taken with a pinch of salt.
As for my ramblings cautious
Pace
Yes agreed with one reservation that you are very cautious over the information given which may or may not be accurate.
There are posters who are very much respected who should be listened too and others who should be taken with a pinch of salt.
As for my ramblings cautious
Pace
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What? Being cautious of my posts ???
Pace
What? Being cautious of my posts ???
Pace
Yes agreed with one reservation that you are very cautious over the information given which may or may not be accurate.
There are posters who are very much respected who should be listened too and others who should be taken with a pinch of salt.
There are posters who are very much respected who should be listened too and others who should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I think my posts are worth every penny you paid for it 