Aeros Nottingham prices going up.
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Aeros Nottingham prices going up.
Anyone here learning at Aeros in notts?
I'm about 15 hours in to my PPL learning in a PA 38. Currently paying £136ph. After the end of feb this is going up to £168ph! I'm looking at other schools in the area specifically sherwood flying club, based also at Nottingham and donair out of east midlands whose prices are more in line with what I'm used to paying.
I do really like the club at Nottingham, everyone is very friendly and professional but that doesn't feel enough to justify th additional expense.
A couple of questions though for anyone on the know:
1) is there something aeros will provide me with that other schools won't i.e. will I get something there to justify the extra £30 an hour?
2) as I'm currently tantalisingly close to going solo am I going to set myself back significantly by switching schools at this time?
I'm really interested in as many views/opinions as possible (not usually a problem here!
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I'm about 15 hours in to my PPL learning in a PA 38. Currently paying £136ph. After the end of feb this is going up to £168ph! I'm looking at other schools in the area specifically sherwood flying club, based also at Nottingham and donair out of east midlands whose prices are more in line with what I'm used to paying.
I do really like the club at Nottingham, everyone is very friendly and professional but that doesn't feel enough to justify th additional expense.
A couple of questions though for anyone on the know:
1) is there something aeros will provide me with that other schools won't i.e. will I get something there to justify the extra £30 an hour?
2) as I'm currently tantalisingly close to going solo am I going to set myself back significantly by switching schools at this time?
I'm really interested in as many views/opinions as possible (not usually a problem here!
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you will have to do a few extra hours just so the FI can suss you out before sending you solo. But in theory changing school isn't a big exercise.
I would say stay where you are until going solo.
As for the cost increase I suspect you might find a lot of places going up in price as the EASA changes mean they have quite a bit more admin costs. Linked in as well there may be an increase in the pay for the instructors and also the airfield costs maybe increasing at the same time.
I don't have a clue about school economics these days they won't be making much profit what ever the reasons for the increase.
I would say stay where you are until going solo.
As for the cost increase I suspect you might find a lot of places going up in price as the EASA changes mean they have quite a bit more admin costs. Linked in as well there may be an increase in the pay for the instructors and also the airfield costs maybe increasing at the same time.
I don't have a clue about school economics these days they won't be making much profit what ever the reasons for the increase.
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£32 an hour more....... dump the b@stards!!
(After all, another 30 hours at that to get your 45 and you are talking just under £1,000 more.)
Of course, the staff might be friendly and professional because they get paid 1p an hour more than the competition pays, the aircraft might be a little cleaner and "better" maintained than the competition's, and they are about to entrust you with taking up one of the precious aircraft all by yourself!
Perhaps that implies a little bonding and loyalty by their staff.
Personally, flying is like buying food. You get what you pay for and sometimes you pay a little more just to be sure you are getting what you pay for (ie no horse!). In other words, you get the same, but you pay a little extra for the certainty.
Yes, eat cheap ****. It saves you cash, and who cares about longevity. That's for old folks!
But flying..... well, every flying school that competes on price is doomed!
So if you are happy with the other factors, stick with them.
(After all, another 30 hours at that to get your 45 and you are talking just under £1,000 more.)
Of course, the staff might be friendly and professional because they get paid 1p an hour more than the competition pays, the aircraft might be a little cleaner and "better" maintained than the competition's, and they are about to entrust you with taking up one of the precious aircraft all by yourself!
Perhaps that implies a little bonding and loyalty by their staff.
Personally, flying is like buying food. You get what you pay for and sometimes you pay a little more just to be sure you are getting what you pay for (ie no horse!). In other words, you get the same, but you pay a little extra for the certainty.
Yes, eat cheap ****. It saves you cash, and who cares about longevity. That's for old folks!
But flying..... well, every flying school that competes on price is doomed!
So if you are happy with the other factors, stick with them.
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They seem to be charging everyone different prices there at the moment. Im at 10 hours doing circuits in a tomahawk and they charge me £158.80 per hour, and I overheard the bloke on the phone the other day trying to work out whether to charge some old retiree ppl student the 'old truman' prices, or the new aeros prices.
Im sure they'll get it worked out eventually, and the staff and people who work in the café at tollerton are great
Im sure they'll get it worked out eventually, and the staff and people who work in the café at tollerton are great
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I suspect anyone charging under 145 an hour is burning there engine fund and setting themselves up for bankruptcy and just getting the cash out of the aircraft.
Sometimes cheap is to cheap.
25 quid for the instructor
57 quid an hour for fuel.
Leaves 63
10 quid an hour on maint
8 quid an hour on engine fund.
leaving 45 ish for school buildings, heating, approvals, insurance, salarys, landing fee's etc etc. And a bit of profit.
Sometimes cheap is to cheap.
25 quid for the instructor
57 quid an hour for fuel.
Leaves 63
10 quid an hour on maint
8 quid an hour on engine fund.
leaving 45 ish for school buildings, heating, approvals, insurance, salarys, landing fee's etc etc. And a bit of profit.
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...... leaving nothing to pay for the financing or leasing of the aircraft. Is that why they are still using sh1tty 40 year old aircraft at many flying schools instead of looking at newer kit?
I saw a comparison in one of the magazines of Avgas price in the US against EU. If you could reduce the cost of Avgas by 50% or more, it would make a huge difference to the cost of flying and learning to fly and might give enough of a profit to clubs to be able to invest in new aircraft.
I saw a comparison in one of the magazines of Avgas price in the US against EU. If you could reduce the cost of Avgas by 50% or more, it would make a huge difference to the cost of flying and learning to fly and might give enough of a profit to clubs to be able to invest in new aircraft.
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leaving nothing to pay for the financing or leasing of the aircraft. Is that why they are still using sh1tty 40 year old aircraft at many flying schools instead of looking at newer kit?
It has been tried with Katana's, liberty X's and the new kid on the block which a lot of schools have their fingers crossed about the sports cruiser.
There really isn't anything really to replace these training aircraft with. And if you did and required financing as can be seen by this thread a large majority of your customers would go to the school with the cheaper old kit.
A lot of schools find the same problem with IMC kitted machines, nobody wants to pay for the premium of flying them.
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I'd look at it from a different perspective.
Are you gaining the awareness and confidence that will enable you to attain the proficiency level that you are striving to achieve?
If that is the case, my advice would be to stay where you are and achieve the goal.
There is no guarantee that prices would remain constant at the other training facilities. And, you will have to start all over again and there is no assurance that you will become comfortable in the other training facility environment.
I went through the same experiencing while training with an FTO, but decided to stay there and accomplished my goal. In retrospect, that was the right decision, even though I spent little more than I budgeted.
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Are you gaining the awareness and confidence that will enable you to attain the proficiency level that you are striving to achieve?
If that is the case, my advice would be to stay where you are and achieve the goal.
There is no guarantee that prices would remain constant at the other training facilities. And, you will have to start all over again and there is no assurance that you will become comfortable in the other training facility environment.
I went through the same experiencing while training with an FTO, but decided to stay there and accomplished my goal. In retrospect, that was the right decision, even though I spent little more than I budgeted.
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Definitely sounds like they were charging under the market rate before, which isn't sustainable, and have now had to bring their prices more in line to making a profit.
I wouldn't look elsewhere though, at your point in the course it would cause a massive disruption to your training when you really don't need it. If you get on well with the instructor and the aircraft, there really isn't any reason to change, either pay the going rate, or stop now.
The prices are only ever going to go up, and unfortunately most people seem to get their licences then after the two years of the rating never renew as they haven't flown much in that two year period, usually because of the cost. So if you're struggling to afford it now, perhaps have a think about what you're planning to do once you get the licence, and reassess whether you want to complete the PPL at all, could save an awful lot of money.
I wouldn't look elsewhere though, at your point in the course it would cause a massive disruption to your training when you really don't need it. If you get on well with the instructor and the aircraft, there really isn't any reason to change, either pay the going rate, or stop now.
The prices are only ever going to go up, and unfortunately most people seem to get their licences then after the two years of the rating never renew as they haven't flown much in that two year period, usually because of the cost. So if you're struggling to afford it now, perhaps have a think about what you're planning to do once you get the licence, and reassess whether you want to complete the PPL at all, could save an awful lot of money.
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Thanks all for the responses. I don't mind paying the market rate and if that's what it's going to be then that's ok I guess but I can't help but notice that pretty much every other school in the midlands is offering lessons around the £135 mark(with the exception of derby at £145) in either a PA38 or a C150/2. maybe that will all change in the next few months...?
I just don't want it feel like I'm being taken for a ride!
I just don't want it feel like I'm being taken for a ride!
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if its any consolation I just paid 180ish for 1.0 in a pa38, so yes the prices are definitely going up.
Depending on where you live derby or Leicester are your other options - don't go for the one at east midlands, you'll just burn the hobbs meter up waiting for 737s and get about 20 mins instruction
it costs what it costs
Depending on where you live derby or Leicester are your other options - don't go for the one at east midlands, you'll just burn the hobbs meter up waiting for 737s and get about 20 mins instruction
it costs what it costs
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cenus I suspect everyone is going to have to sort their rates out in the next 6 months there is a raft of EASA stuff coming through which involves a lot of manual writing and increased admin burden along with costs of inspections etc.
Tollerton is great for PPL training busy but not to busy and no commercials to fit round.
It might be worth to ask your instructor the reason why the price has gone up. It could be very logical.
The main thing is actually your instructor and if you are getting on with them and you feel you are getting good quality instruction. Any saving you get by moving is very quickly eaten up first by the new instructor getting to know you before solo and then if you have to swap again because you don't liked where you have moved to its the same again.
If you really want to change though stick with them until you go solo and then have a look about finishing the whole lot off over in FL in a couple of weeks.
Tollerton is great for PPL training busy but not to busy and no commercials to fit round.
It might be worth to ask your instructor the reason why the price has gone up. It could be very logical.
The main thing is actually your instructor and if you are getting on with them and you feel you are getting good quality instruction. Any saving you get by moving is very quickly eaten up first by the new instructor getting to know you before solo and then if you have to swap again because you don't liked where you have moved to its the same again.
If you really want to change though stick with them until you go solo and then have a look about finishing the whole lot off over in FL in a couple of weeks.
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Well, your 6k hours is irrelevant for this issue.
I was just wondering why you suggested FL as an alternative without the relevant pointers and qualification (e.g. which facilities could be of considerations).
Florida (.e.g Ormond Beach) use to be an alternative in terms of costs, but not any more.
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I was just wondering why you suggested FL as an alternative without the relevant pointers and qualification (e.g. which facilities could be of considerations).
Florida (.e.g Ormond Beach) use to be an alternative in terms of costs, but not any more.
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Depending on where you live derby or Leicester are your other options - don't go for the one at east midlands, you'll just burn the hobbs meter up waiting for 737s and get about 20 mins instruction