Most beneficial country of registration?
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Most beneficial country of registration?
Hello guys and gals,
We all know that despite EASA standards there are sometimes big differences in cost and maintenance between countries in EU. Some(most?) countries have painfully high fees which is killing the general aviation and others just kill it by implementing ridiculous maintenance requirements.
Now in EU and in Aviation we have a unique possibility to actually choose our country of registration. This is something we should use to our benefit.
I am currently looking for a good place to register a Cessna, 2500 MTOW.
It is interesting to see how the different countries interpret the regulations from EASA. In Sweden the costs are a joke, some say they are the highest in the region and I wouldn't be surprised. They also believe that all recommendations are mandatory which causes a lot of problems as well.
In Germany for example, they have no annual authority fee for the airwothiness ARC and as far as I have understood you can do the annual/100hr check yourself. In Sweden it is around 350 euro/year for the ARC and you are only allowed to do some small tasks on the 50hr check.
Can anyone tell me about the conditions in UK, France or any other country?
A big thing for us is the propellers. It is currently mandatory to do the overhaul every 6th year or TBO reached. We will never reach the TBO flight time when flying 100-200 hrs/year. Do you know any country where they allow you to fly on only TBO, disregarding the calender time?
This is not about flying an unsafe airplane, we have the knowledge but not the papers to keep the stuff airworthy and totally safe. It is more a matter of making it more reasonable to own and operate a private airplane. We should all use the freedom of services through EU.
Stay safe!
We all know that despite EASA standards there are sometimes big differences in cost and maintenance between countries in EU. Some(most?) countries have painfully high fees which is killing the general aviation and others just kill it by implementing ridiculous maintenance requirements.
Now in EU and in Aviation we have a unique possibility to actually choose our country of registration. This is something we should use to our benefit.
I am currently looking for a good place to register a Cessna, 2500 MTOW.
It is interesting to see how the different countries interpret the regulations from EASA. In Sweden the costs are a joke, some say they are the highest in the region and I wouldn't be surprised. They also believe that all recommendations are mandatory which causes a lot of problems as well.
In Germany for example, they have no annual authority fee for the airwothiness ARC and as far as I have understood you can do the annual/100hr check yourself. In Sweden it is around 350 euro/year for the ARC and you are only allowed to do some small tasks on the 50hr check.
Can anyone tell me about the conditions in UK, France or any other country?
A big thing for us is the propellers. It is currently mandatory to do the overhaul every 6th year or TBO reached. We will never reach the TBO flight time when flying 100-200 hrs/year. Do you know any country where they allow you to fly on only TBO, disregarding the calender time?
This is not about flying an unsafe airplane, we have the knowledge but not the papers to keep the stuff airworthy and totally safe. It is more a matter of making it more reasonable to own and operate a private airplane. We should all use the freedom of services through EU.
Stay safe!
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I don't mean to be rude but USA is the only country where it is possible and reasonable to register and own an aircraft. In Europe even though Germany has reasonable maintenance requirements for GA What's the point if afterwards you are limited to 2-3 airports because otherwise landing fees are more expensive than the flight itself.
Rant over. I co-owned a skydiving airplane D-reg based in Portugal and overall the experience was good. But this was pre-EASA.
Rant over. I co-owned a skydiving airplane D-reg based in Portugal and overall the experience was good. But this was pre-EASA.
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[The Swedish Transport Agency] also believe that all recommendations are mandatory which causes a lot of problems as well.
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Well, that is correct. But there are also other things on which they are completely uninterested in having a dialogue.
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German Registration on Emeraude operated in UK?
Hi Guys,
Interesting question and as I am a novice at this I have no answer, but my question may also garner more useful advice..
Any thoughts on the possibilities of operating D reg Emeraude on EASA 2 German rules in the UK? I called the CAA and they said to check with the German authorities if the would allow it. Still waiting..
The LAA said that I would need to provide as much info and present for inspection before they could adopt it, Not unreasonable and logic might suggest if it is operated in Germany, it shouldn't be much of a problem. However wise to seek further advice methinks, so all contributions welcome!
Steegrey
Interesting question and as I am a novice at this I have no answer, but my question may also garner more useful advice..
Any thoughts on the possibilities of operating D reg Emeraude on EASA 2 German rules in the UK? I called the CAA and they said to check with the German authorities if the would allow it. Still waiting..
The LAA said that I would need to provide as much info and present for inspection before they could adopt it, Not unreasonable and logic might suggest if it is operated in Germany, it shouldn't be much of a problem. However wise to seek further advice methinks, so all contributions welcome!
Steegrey
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A few years back, Germany was having a hard time financially. Prices for D-registered aircraft were attractive so a lot of people in the UK and elsewhere bought planes from Germany but kept them on the D register. I think they were kept on the D-reg because of the problems transferring to G (exhaust silencers being one) rather than for the less restrictive regulatory regime (which I have always found a PITA to deal with).
Many aircraft in Italy on G marks but I don't know of any the other way round so I guess the advantage is keeping it on the G.
What is happening with Guernsey?? They have some aircraft registered on 2-reg but I can't get any info from the people who are running it. I think who can sign off maintenance on a 2-reg might an issue.
I still think N is the best.
Many aircraft in Italy on G marks but I don't know of any the other way round so I guess the advantage is keeping it on the G.
What is happening with Guernsey?? They have some aircraft registered on 2-reg but I can't get any info from the people who are running it. I think who can sign off maintenance on a 2-reg might an issue.
I still think N is the best.
