EASA Licenses

[Okavango]

Is there any merit to having a NPPL rather than an EASA LAPL(A)? Further, can a CPL rated pilot also hold one of these licenses or does the CPL take precendence? The reason of asking is that it affects Class Ratings (for leisure flying rather than commercial flying) and how to get them.

[Level Attitude]

You may need to give further information.
I am not clear on what you mean by "a CPL rated pilot".

EASA states that only one Licence can be held per aircraft category.

So the holder of an EASA (or JAA) CPL for aeroplanes would not
be able to also have an LAPL for aeroplanes.

NPPL would be possible, but why not apply for UK CPL or UK PPL
on basis of existing CPL?

[md 600 driver]

Can you still apply for a uk cpl or ppl ?

[znww5]

It is also worth bearing in mind that after April 2015 (if I remember the date correctly), the NPPL will only be valid for Annex II aircraft. NPPL holders wishing to fly EASA aircraft after that date will have to convert to the LAPL.

If you have a valid EASA CPL, would it not make more sense to fly on the subsumed EASA PPL? Or perhaps I'm missing something.

[Whopity]

If you have an EASA CPL the privileges are:

FCL.305 CPL — Privileges and conditions
(a) Privileges. The privileges of the holder of a CPL are, within the appropriate aircraft category, to:
(1) exercise all the privileges of the holder of an LAPL and a PPL;

The privileges of the licence shall be exercised only if the holder has a valid medical certificate for the required privilege.
Only one medical certificate may be held.

[ifitaintboeing]

The privileges of the licence shall be exercised only if the holder has a valid medical certificate for the required privilege.

It is not permissible to use a LAPL medical to validate a EASA CPL or PPL, even if you wish to only exercise LAPL privileges. MED.A.030

ifitaint...

[md 600 driver]

Whopity
Yes but

If you have a ppl the privileges are different with reference to LAPL

In FCL 205 and 205h a ppl/h cannot exercise the privilege of flying on a lapl like you can with the cpl in FCL 305 or am I reading this wrong

[BEagle]

LAPL privileges are not included in a PPL. It's due to helicopters requiring Type Ratings and the NPPL having no fixed validity period, just rolling validity.

If we can get rid of LAPL rolling validity (as we did for the NPPL) and restructure the licence in the same manner as all other Part-FCL licences, it will be simpler to align privileges and medicals.

A revision to Part-MED is on the way and EASA has also committed to creating a 'LAPL board', so hopefully these difficulties will be resolved before too long.

[Okavango]

Yes, sorry LA - EASA CPL(A) and that was my understanding that you couldn't hold a LAPL(A) at the same time though the NPPL was possible and would make it easier to fly a SLMG (only requiring differences training). However, my understanding is to convert that on to a TMG rating on my CPL I'll still need a Class Rating Skill Test. Any advice of anyone who's recently gone through the process appreciated.

Whopity - just subsequently read your response and there's a little nugget in there. If I can excercise the priviledges of a LAPL then am I not able to simply have differences training from a FI(SLMG) then I'll be good to go without bothering with the NPPL? I understand I won't be able to log the time either way until the a TMG rating is in place though I just want to fly.

[BillieBob]

Here's a thought for you, then. My ATPL includes all the privileges of an LAPL so if my SEP class rating expires, and I cannot or do not wish to attend an ATO for refresher training, I can continue to exercise the LAPL privileges in an SEP aeroplane provided I continue to meet the recency requirements in FCL.140.A. .... or can I?

[ifitaintboeing]

No, you can't.

FCL.505 says you can exercise the privileges of a LAPL holder (FCL.105) - it doesn't say that you can validate it using LAPL experience requirements. Nor can you validate it with a LAPL medical.

ifitaint...

[BillieBob]

But the licence is still valid and I have a Class 1 medical. I wouldn't have an SEP class rating if I held an LAPL so why should I need one to exercise the LAPL privileges of my ATPL?

[bookworm]

Here's a thought for you, then. My ATPL includes all the privileges of an LAPL so if my SEP class rating expires, and I cannot or do not wish to attend an ATO for refresher training, I can continue to exercise the LAPL privileges in an SEP aeroplane provided I continue to meet the recency requirements in FCL.140.A. .... or can I?

Why would you need to meet the recency requirements in FCL140.A? You are not "the holder of a LAPL(A)" you are the holder of an ATPL(A) exercising the privileges of the LAPL(A). You still need to meet the requirements of FCL.060 before carrying passengers of course.

But hang on:

FCL.700 Circumstances in which class or type ratings are required
(a) Except in the case of the LAPL, SPL and BPL, holders of a pilot licence shall not act in any capacity as pilots of an aircraft unless they have a valid and appropriate class or type rating, except when undergoing skill tests, or proficiency checks for renewal of class or type ratings, or receiving flight instruction.

So if you are the holder of an ATPL(A), you require a valid and appropriate class or type rating, even if exercising the privileges of a LAPL(A).

Nice try though. Looks like it needs a tidy up: why should an ATPL(A) have to go through a class rating renewal including the FCL.740(b)(1) refresher training when a LAPL(A) holder can just do a prof check?

[Prop swinger]

Originally Posted by Okavango

Yes, sorry LA - EASA CPL(A) and that was my understanding that you couldn't hold a LAPL(A) at the same time though the NPPL was possible and would make it easier to fly a SLMG (only requiring differences training). However, my understanding is to convert that on to a TMG rating on my CPL I'll still need a Class Rating Skill Test. Any advice of anyone who's recently gone through the process appreciated.

Whopity - just subsequently read your response and there's a little nugget in there. If I can excercise the priviledges of a LAPL then am I not able to simply have differences training from a FI(SLMG) then I'll be good to go without bothering with the NPPL? I understand I won't be able to log the time either way until the a TMG rating is in place though I just want to fly.

CPL, PPL or LAPL is irrelevant - you need a TMG rating to fly a TMG. If your licence has only an SEP rating you will need to do the skill test to add a TMG rating.

[Okavango]

I'm not sure that's right. You need a TMG Class Rating for such time to count for license revalidation purposes. With an SLMG rating you could still fly what in effect is the same aircraft but would not be able to log the time (for revalidation)

[Prop swinger]

There is no such thing as an SLMG in EASA-land, there are only TMGs & self-launch sailplanes.

In the recent JAR past the CAA would allow you to fly both on your PPL with an SEP rating (although not allowing the hours for SEP revalidation unless you had a TMG rating.) EASA does not allow the CAA any such discretion - you must have a TMG rating to fly a TMG (unless a student pilot under supervision.)

You can get a UK only NPPL(SLMG) with very little effort but, as previously mentioned, it will only be usable on non-EASA TMGs after April 2015. An NPPL(SLMG) is obviously convertable to an LAPL(A) with TMG but as you know you can't hold the two (A) licences. I think you should ask the CAA for a definitive answer: "What if I hold a PPL(A) (or CPL(A)) with SEP & at the same time an NPPL(SLMG), can I convert the NPPL(SLMG) to a TMG rating?"

Either they downgrade your PPL or CPL to an LAPL (can't see that happening) or they allow the NPPL(SLMG) to convert to a TMG rating on a PPL/CPL.