Crash near Halfpenny Green, Pilot breathalised
I love this understated piece from the Express & Star's report:
Imagine how the Daily Mail would have written that up!
Fire crews at the scene righted the aircraft and the pilot, a man in his sixties, got out
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There are a number of preliminary breath screening devices routinely used by the police that are approved not only under the Road Traffic Act but also under the Railway and Transport Safety Act 2003
These include the Draeger Alcotest 6810 GB, The Lion Alcometer 510 B and the Envitec AlcoQuant 6020.
These devices are not approved for evidential use but would provide sufficient information for a police officer to arrest and then require a sample on an evidential device at a police station.
These include the Draeger Alcotest 6810 GB, The Lion Alcometer 510 B and the Envitec AlcoQuant 6020.
These devices are not approved for evidential use but would provide sufficient information for a police officer to arrest and then require a sample on an evidential device at a police station.
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A student of mine suffered an engine failure on one of his first flights after gaining his license.I was very proud of his forced landing which took place from a late downwind position with very few options open to him.The aircraft was undamaged he was unhurt though sadly the aircraft had to be taken apart to remove it from the field .Airport fire, local brigade and ambulance attended though not required.Local police arrived breathylised the pilot (negative of course) the event seemed to be beyond their comprehension and experience.They then departed, this must have been about ten years ago. General comment from all involved was that the police were of no assistance at all.Best avoid their attendance if possible though I believe the 999 services exchange incidents ,sad that one of the three can potentially cause further grief rather than assist the victim at a stressful time.VBR Stampe
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I was at EGTC the day that the late and unlamented Hinton mob pranged a PA38 off the end of the runway (I should say, I have utmost sympathy for the aircraft occupants, but little for the school management).
I counted 7 police cars and 3 fire engines!
Regarding breathalisation, surely a policeman is trained to grab any evidence that may be relevant to any subsequent investigation. Breathalising the pilot seems perfectly legitimate in that light, and if it was me I'd welcome it since I certainly would be sober, and then it would be on record that I was.
A US based test pilot friend of mine had a bad day a few years ago where he wrote off a V22. He went fairly immediately to the flight surgeon and demanded a blood test for alcohol. The FS asked why as there was no suggestion that he'd been drinking. His reply, as I recall, was:-
"No, but by the morning somebody will ask the question, and by the morning, they'll be right".
G
I counted 7 police cars and 3 fire engines!
Regarding breathalisation, surely a policeman is trained to grab any evidence that may be relevant to any subsequent investigation. Breathalising the pilot seems perfectly legitimate in that light, and if it was me I'd welcome it since I certainly would be sober, and then it would be on record that I was.
A US based test pilot friend of mine had a bad day a few years ago where he wrote off a V22. He went fairly immediately to the flight surgeon and demanded a blood test for alcohol. The FS asked why as there was no suggestion that he'd been drinking. His reply, as I recall, was:-
"No, but by the morning somebody will ask the question, and by the morning, they'll be right".
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A serious aircraft crash requires that the Police treat it as a Crime Scene and gather evidence accordingly.
Alcohol is but one source of ability impairment and night before drug use won't show up on the booz-a-liser.
I've never taken any drugs but I bet some people on here have used weed.
SGC
Alcohol is but one source of ability impairment and night before drug use won't show up on the booz-a-liser.
I've never taken any drugs but I bet some people on here have used weed.
SGC
15 years ago a low hours group member went off the runway in our Jodel DR1050 on landing in nil wind. No injuries, but engine shockloaded when it nosed over on the grass.
Although not required at a licensed, active, airfield, the ATC was unsure about this, and notified the police. A traffic car attended. The Group contact and the SATCO were also notified. As I was on holiday, I was the group member to go out.
It would take me 30 minutes to get to the airfield, where I met the SATCO,who was looking for the pilot
We eventually realised the police car was still in the park - and he was in it.
When we approached and tapped on the window, the policeman said he would arrest us for obstructing the police in the course of his duty. We stood our ground, and eventually he allowed us to speak.
The pilot had been breathalised, and then questioned for over an hour as to why the aircraft had gone into an uncontrollable swerve, when the licensed engineer had said the brakes and steering were O.K.
Although not required at a licensed, active, airfield, the ATC was unsure about this, and notified the police. A traffic car attended. The Group contact and the SATCO were also notified. As I was on holiday, I was the group member to go out.
It would take me 30 minutes to get to the airfield, where I met the SATCO,who was looking for the pilot
We eventually realised the police car was still in the park - and he was in it.
When we approached and tapped on the window, the policeman said he would arrest us for obstructing the police in the course of his duty. We stood our ground, and eventually he allowed us to speak.
The pilot had been breathalised, and then questioned for over an hour as to why the aircraft had gone into an uncontrollable swerve, when the licensed engineer had said the brakes and steering were O.K.
