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From: The frozen north....
It is your requirement for 4 seats that really limits the choices........ realistically how many flights will you need four seater ?
The whole need for 4 seats would be for family trips probably 2-3 times per month + the odd jolly flight with friends etc, I'd probably do 50-70hrs in it per year plus another 30-50hrs in my single seater. Renting isnt really an option at £170+ per hr and a typical min 3 hrs per day its away etc.
Rather liking the Auster the more I look at them, I had a share in a Tri Pacer for a couple of years and really enjoyed that and now also have access to a Supercub which I'm enjoying as I just find vintage types have far more character than modern Cessna's and Pipers.
I'm not in any rush so will keep an eye on the used Auster / Beagle market I think unless I stumble over something else.......
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From: USA
If no Auster appears, you might consider an N-registered C of A type that is already in the UK, assuming you wouldn't want an importation project. This would potentially open up choice of aircraft types. Maintenance on N-register is very unlike that on EASA registers and can be simple, I believe even in the UK if you make good contacts.
Types that come to mind on that basis, other than the Family Cruiser, Pacer and Stinsons already mentioned, and subject to availability (as the saying goes)...
Cessna 170 (the practical choice)
Luscombe 11A Silvaire Sedan
Taylorcraft Model 15 Sedan
Aeronca 15AC Sedan
Fairchild 24 (now we're getting a bit exotic
)
Etc.
Best of luck
Types that come to mind on that basis, other than the Family Cruiser, Pacer and Stinsons already mentioned, and subject to availability (as the saying goes)...
Cessna 170 (the practical choice)
Luscombe 11A Silvaire Sedan
Taylorcraft Model 15 Sedan
Aeronca 15AC Sedan
Fairchild 24 (now we're getting a bit exotic
)Etc.
Best of luck
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From: on short final
KZ VII - Lark
What you need is a KZ VII !
Vintage, 4 seats, tailwheel, easy to work on, well within budget
Unlike your regalar cub, it is rare enough to attract attention but is extremely well supported by the Danish LAA (which is organised around the KZ Club). It will get in and out of any field you can stick a Super Cub in, and with more load too.
There is only one in the UK, but the good news is that I have it for sale
Send me a PM, for more info via email/phone
www.kz-vii.co.uk
Vintage, 4 seats, tailwheel, easy to work on, well within budget
Unlike your regalar cub, it is rare enough to attract attention but is extremely well supported by the Danish LAA (which is organised around the KZ Club). It will get in and out of any field you can stick a Super Cub in, and with more load too.
There is only one in the UK, but the good news is that I have it for sale
Send me a PM, for more info via email/phone
www.kz-vii.co.uk
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They're pretty rare, but a Cozy IV would tick all the boxes I think?
There was an out of permit Cozy Classic (the 3-seat version) on AFORS last year - no idea if it's still for sale, and if so, whether it's convertible reasonably easily to the 4-seat Cozy IV standard?
Regarding the Stinson - I have one on a private CofA (currently lapsed, and for sale due to a combination of an unidentified engine problem, and a fallen-apart syndicate); about 780lb payload, with a small baggage compartment. It's most of the way to a PtF aeroplane in that you can do most work yourself, but it does need a CofA annual which is pricey - on the other hand you can take it night (which is fine) or IMC (which I'd not make a habit of). I asked a couple of years ago about getting it onto an LAA permit but got the firm answer "if it can have a CofA it must have a CofA", which I think is still broadly CAA policy.
Not vintage, but I was very impressed with the Jabiru J430 when I got to fly one a bit - ticks all your other boxes (PtF, 4 seats, owner maintenance...) Payload is okay, rather than good - but that's true of most 4-seaters.
Ditto Wassmer Wa51 - there was one advertised for sale out of Humberside not long ago.
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There was an out of permit Cozy Classic (the 3-seat version) on AFORS last year - no idea if it's still for sale, and if so, whether it's convertible reasonably easily to the 4-seat Cozy IV standard?
Regarding the Stinson - I have one on a private CofA (currently lapsed, and for sale due to a combination of an unidentified engine problem, and a fallen-apart syndicate); about 780lb payload, with a small baggage compartment. It's most of the way to a PtF aeroplane in that you can do most work yourself, but it does need a CofA annual which is pricey - on the other hand you can take it night (which is fine) or IMC (which I'd not make a habit of). I asked a couple of years ago about getting it onto an LAA permit but got the firm answer "if it can have a CofA it must have a CofA", which I think is still broadly CAA policy.
Not vintage, but I was very impressed with the Jabiru J430 when I got to fly one a bit - ticks all your other boxes (PtF, 4 seats, owner maintenance...) Payload is okay, rather than good - but that's true of most 4-seaters.
Ditto Wassmer Wa51 - there was one advertised for sale out of Humberside not long ago.
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What you need is a KZ VII !
Some people say a KZ-VII won't get off the ground with all seats occupied?
.. men hvis jeg havde pengene, så ville jeg købe én...
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What you really need is one of these https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dH...hM9EItGOFhM%3A FIVE seats and gets airborne pretty smart ish fully loaded - I know, I have done it!
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From: Glens o' Angus by way of LA
4 seats,
good stol
180 hp FP or CS your choice
economical
lands anywhere
taildragger
good factory support
build like a brick sh&% house
appx. 950lbs useful load
73 USG tanks
There is only one that fits the bill !!!
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?...-seq=2&s-lvl=2
good stol
180 hp FP or CS your choice
economical
lands anywhere
taildragger
good factory support
build like a brick sh&% house
appx. 950lbs useful load
73 USG tanks
There is only one that fits the bill !!!
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?...-seq=2&s-lvl=2
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What you really need is one of these https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dH...hM9EItGOFhM%3A FIVE seats and gets airborne pretty smart ish fully loaded - I know, I have done it!
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I've got AOEX and ANZT in my log book from my PPL at Thruxton in 1964.
I don't remember them as load carriers - climb with just two heavyish guys was not great. Cruising speed?? Following the railway Shoreham - Portsmouth on my solo QCC in ZT, with a headwind, first an engine, then a second engine, then a coal wagon, then more wagons, appeared under the nose. Always used grass, never hard runway.
I don't remember them as load carriers - climb with just two heavyish guys was not great. Cruising speed?? Following the railway Shoreham - Portsmouth on my solo QCC in ZT, with a headwind, first an engine, then a second engine, then a coal wagon, then more wagons, appeared under the nose. Always used grass, never hard runway.
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