How to beat the airlines flying your own plane.
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How to beat the airlines flying your own plane.
Sometimes, in a rare blue moon, you can actually beat the system.
It doesn't happen often (that's for sure), but on a recent trip to Las Vegas I saved up to 2 hrs in time compared to going by airline. Questionable if I saved any money in direct costs, but certainly not very far off. The airline would have cost $560 and my fuel costs were in the $300 range. This for a gas guzzling twin. In a fast single, like a Bonanza or a Mooney, these figures would probably improve by 50%. The overnight parking of the plane is comparable to the parking of the car at the airport. The taxi ride from the airport to hotel would have been the same, etc, etc.
Just a delusional owners justification, right?
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It doesn't happen often (that's for sure), but on a recent trip to Las Vegas I saved up to 2 hrs in time compared to going by airline. Questionable if I saved any money in direct costs, but certainly not very far off. The airline would have cost $560 and my fuel costs were in the $300 range. This for a gas guzzling twin. In a fast single, like a Bonanza or a Mooney, these figures would probably improve by 50%. The overnight parking of the plane is comparable to the parking of the car at the airport. The taxi ride from the airport to hotel would have been the same, etc, etc.Just a delusional owners justification, right?
How to beat the airlines flying your own plane. - YouTube
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I recently flew to France from my base in the south of England. Visiting Cherbourg, Granville, and Lannion. This was far cheaper than the alternative of a ferry or an airliner. My costs were about £250 for two people.
It's absolutely true that its very rare for flying to be financially advantageous. I've found there is a sweet spot between about 100 and 250 miles where my plane makes sense, being close to the cost of driving but much quicker. My cost is 35/hr and cruise is 90 knots. Any further, and comfort and cost normally dictate a commercial flight.
It's absolutely true that its very rare for flying to be financially advantageous. I've found there is a sweet spot between about 100 and 250 miles where my plane makes sense, being close to the cost of driving but much quicker. My cost is 35/hr and cruise is 90 knots. Any further, and comfort and cost normally dictate a commercial flight.
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I'm planning our annual sabbatical to Cannes and pondered for the first time in three years of going BA. No way!
4 Hours each way (including a very civilised lunch at Troyes) plus 2 weeks parking at Mandelieu is significantly less than BA's current prices.
Just means I can't have a G&T en-route....
4 Hours each way (including a very civilised lunch at Troyes) plus 2 weeks parking at Mandelieu is significantly less than BA's current prices.
Just means I can't have a G&T en-route....
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I have a regular business trip I make from the UK to a regional location in France.
My employer absolutely forbids the use of private aircraft whilst on company business, so I have to fly Air France to CDG and then a second AF flight to my destination.
Total trip duration from first take off to final landing = 6 hours. This is largely the result of ill-timed AF schedules and having to change terminals at CDG. Last time the cost was almost £800.
If I flew myself, I could go direct, usually in less than 3 hours and for considerably less than £800.
Grrr.
My employer absolutely forbids the use of private aircraft whilst on company business, so I have to fly Air France to CDG and then a second AF flight to my destination.
Total trip duration from first take off to final landing = 6 hours. This is largely the result of ill-timed AF schedules and having to change terminals at CDG. Last time the cost was almost £800.
If I flew myself, I could go direct, usually in less than 3 hours and for considerably less than £800.
Grrr.
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Your employer is a muppet.
Yup! it all sounds idiotic,but similar problems beset the owners of small vans who *might*carry goods that aren't their own, or are in connection with a business.....Vanman does a mate a favour and moves a sofa, has an accident, Plod decides that his insurance is for plumbing-trade, so driving uninsured. extreme, -yes.but there are a lot of grey areas , using personal transport on any sort of business use.
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Out of curiosity is your employer American based?
The company I work for got bought over by an American group last year, and this line appeared in the travel policy:
I've been travelling to Dublin every week for the last month (9 Airlingus flights and 1 Ryan Air)
With Air Lingus it ends up around £300 or so return per person. Its about the same for my to fly there in my bulldog (might take 30 min longer in the air) but I could take a passenger (there have been two of us flying out) so it would have saved the company around £1500.
I probably would have gone commercial anyway to stop "get there itis" and the group may not be happy for me to hog the aircraft every week.
However there is another site we often visit in Kilkenny. That involves flying to Dublin (1hr checkin, 1hr flight, 1hr baggage / passport(!)) then getting a hire car and doing a 2+ hour drive to Kilkenny. You're lucky to be there before 2pm after an 8am start. Flying myself would be 2 hours, plus (say) 1 hour to get the aircraft ready, saving at least 2 hours travel time. Since we also have to get back (which takes just as long), they would get an extra 1/2 day a week productive time from us, and knowing what they charge us out at, it would be a considerable saving of around £3900 per month between me and my colleague.
I'm sure my maths is a bit ropey but it doesn't matter - HR says no.
The company I work for got bought over by an American group last year, and this line appeared in the travel policy:
I. Travel on Charter or Personal Aircraft
Use of charter or personal aircraft for Company business is prohibited.
Use of charter or personal aircraft for Company business is prohibited.
With Air Lingus it ends up around £300 or so return per person. Its about the same for my to fly there in my bulldog (might take 30 min longer in the air) but I could take a passenger (there have been two of us flying out) so it would have saved the company around £1500.
I probably would have gone commercial anyway to stop "get there itis" and the group may not be happy for me to hog the aircraft every week.
However there is another site we often visit in Kilkenny. That involves flying to Dublin (1hr checkin, 1hr flight, 1hr baggage / passport(!)) then getting a hire car and doing a 2+ hour drive to Kilkenny. You're lucky to be there before 2pm after an 8am start. Flying myself would be 2 hours, plus (say) 1 hour to get the aircraft ready, saving at least 2 hours travel time. Since we also have to get back (which takes just as long), they would get an extra 1/2 day a week productive time from us, and knowing what they charge us out at, it would be a considerable saving of around £3900 per month between me and my colleague.
I'm sure my maths is a bit ropey but it doesn't matter - HR says no.
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Quicker than the airlines
Any location within the non stop range of a light aircraft should be quicker door to door than the airlines.
I find that the light aircraft is better in the summer when the weather is good and the airline prices are high. In the winter when the airline prices are low and the weather is bad the airlines usually win largely because my aircraft is not equipped for flight into icing conditions.
I find that the light aircraft is better in the summer when the weather is good and the airline prices are high. In the winter when the airline prices are low and the weather is bad the airlines usually win largely because my aircraft is not equipped for flight into icing conditions.
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Riverrock83: Out of curiosity is your employer American based?
Annoyingly, my previous emp was UK-based and was much more amenable. But they paid a lot less, so at least now I have more money for flying.
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If the destination is within a day's drive, you can always expense the car mileage -- just leave off the taxi or car rental at the other end
The major trick is to ensure the weather will be good for the trip back -- or you will have to have a public transport option to get you back to your car.
The one time I had a weather problem for the trip home after a meeting, I overnighted and departed early in the morning in fine weather.
The major trick is to ensure the weather will be good for the trip back -- or you will have to have a public transport option to get you back to your car.
The one time I had a weather problem for the trip home after a meeting, I overnighted and departed early in the morning in fine weather.
My 'best' beat the airlines flight (or indeed any alternative):
Popham to St.Cyr (Paris), four up. 1h50 minutes (so about GBP100 in fuel and a tenner for the landing). No stop in Rouen as the customs guys weren't there so he just closed my flight plan as I went through the overhead. Merci!
Same flight with new plane (six up) takes just over an hour, and costs less than GBP40 including the landing.
Cheers, Sam.
Popham to St.Cyr (Paris), four up. 1h50 minutes (so about GBP100 in fuel and a tenner for the landing). No stop in Rouen as the customs guys weren't there so he just closed my flight plan as I went through the overhead. Merci!
Same flight with new plane (six up) takes just over an hour, and costs less than GBP40 including the landing.
Cheers, Sam.
Cessna 182 with the SMA diesel conversion.
My 1h20m flight consumes about 40L of Jet A, which costs 30 quid, then a tenner for the landing. So when we're full pax that's under £7 each...
Cheers, Sam.
My 1h20m flight consumes about 40L of Jet A, which costs 30 quid, then a tenner for the landing. So when we're full pax that's under £7 each...
Cheers, Sam.
+ other hourly costs & reserves: insurance, maintenance, hangarage, loan repayments, any recurrency training or recent experience requirements, other consumables (oil, TKS, O2 and the like), airways fees...
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@ Tinstaafl yea, but you'd be paying all the fixed costs anyway.
Even allowing a margin 'it's an hour's operating overheads however you slice-and- dice , it would seem about £15 a head to cover the lot.
A bargain!...When do we leave?
Even allowing a margin 'it's an hour's operating overheads however you slice-and- dice , it would seem about £15 a head to cover the lot.
A bargain!...When do we leave?
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Barton to IOM
I've Barton to IOM a few times.
Given the short notice booking actual flight costs for one up were cheaper than scheduled (varies which airline wants to run the route). Best bit was from Taxi in Douglas to Beer at home was quicker than the scheduled at any time. (Mainly due to long checkin plus longer times at the manchester end).
Given the short notice booking actual flight costs for one up were cheaper than scheduled (varies which airline wants to run the route). Best bit was from Taxi in Douglas to Beer at home was quicker than the scheduled at any time. (Mainly due to long checkin plus longer times at the manchester end).
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40L of Jet A, which costs 30 quid
The numbers for diesels look amazing until you factor this in...
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[quoteSo that's not including the tax self-declaration that one needs to complete for aircraft running on diesel? I think it's over a £1/litre now.][/quote]
Which, shirley, you'd claim back, anyway, as it's a flight using it outwith the UK.
Which, shirley, you'd claim back, anyway, as it's a flight using it outwith the UK.