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In your opinion! But that's fine it's a free world accept what you want to believe !
Rick is entitled to his opinion as you are and as I am
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Rick is entitled to his opinion as you are and as I am
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how many of his posts do not contain clear references to support what he says?
I am quite sure if so inclined that they could prove that going to church every sunday could have the same safety benefits, mainly because that's one less flying day in the week.
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Rick has supported his statements with clear factual information
Pace has not
Pace has posted emotive opinionated responses which at times have been unbelievable Such as his "yellow bastard" post which was repeated more than once
Now that you have had a good read and can see that there is indeed a full modern training syllabus and detailed information on CAPs deployment we can see that you overreacted through ignorance and emotion rather than cool judgement of the facts
Come on Pace I think you need to retract the "yellow bastard" sentiment and agree that you overreacted a little bit
Pace has not
Pace has posted emotive opinionated responses which at times have been unbelievable Such as his "yellow bastard" post which was repeated more than once
Now that you have had a good read and can see that there is indeed a full modern training syllabus and detailed information on CAPs deployment we can see that you overreacted through ignorance and emotion rather than cool judgement of the facts
Come on Pace I think you need to retract the "yellow bastard" sentiment and agree that you overreacted a little bit
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Pilots dont change
Over thirty years in the business and I dont see much in the way of the type of people that flying attracts and it is usualy the high achiving go-getter types who are more inclined towards the IFR loss of control and CFIT accidents flying the higher performance kit.
As a pilot I am a bit too close to the action to make judgment on my fellow aviators but the fire crew at my local airfield run a book on who they think will be the next to kill themselfs, for some of you this may seem a little cruel but as the airfield has a work experience program running with the local schools and this book is used as a basis for who they will NOT let fly students who are on this program.
So I am inclined towards the opinion that their are some people who like or cant see the risks they are taking and are therefore going to take the high risk option for what ever reason no mater how much education the flying community trys to give them.
For the innocent bystander on the ground the balistic chute can be seen as protection from these risk takers as at least when the inevitable happens the aircraft arrives at a sedate pace with little energy and little risk of explosion rather than at very high speed with the almost inevitable risk of the fuel in the tanks exploding.
As a pilot I am a bit too close to the action to make judgment on my fellow aviators but the fire crew at my local airfield run a book on who they think will be the next to kill themselfs, for some of you this may seem a little cruel but as the airfield has a work experience program running with the local schools and this book is used as a basis for who they will NOT let fly students who are on this program.
So I am inclined towards the opinion that their are some people who like or cant see the risks they are taking and are therefore going to take the high risk option for what ever reason no mater how much education the flying community trys to give them.
For the innocent bystander on the ground the balistic chute can be seen as protection from these risk takers as at least when the inevitable happens the aircraft arrives at a sedate pace with little energy and little risk of explosion rather than at very high speed with the almost inevitable risk of the fuel in the tanks exploding.
I am quite sure if so inclined that they could prove that going to church every sunday could have the same safety benefits, mainly because that's one less flying day in the week.
The reason is that as people get older and frailer, they do less and less outside the house (no pleasure trips; no trips to see friends; no shopping - family or social services help out... but church tends to be the last one to go - hence on an icy or windy day you'll often get someone who slipped or was blown over and broke a hip). But statistically speaking...
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Come on Pace I think you need to retract the "yellow bastard" sentiment and agree that you overreacted a little bit
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Over thirty years in the business and I dont see much in the way of the type of people that flying attracts and it is usualy the high achiving go-getter types who are more inclined towards the IFR loss of control and CFIT accidents flying the higher performance kit.
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yep old man that's exactly what it is.
These days though its not PC to give them a kicking round the back of the hangar.
I can remember when doing my HGV license aged 17. Did a day with the army instructor came back and got my head kicked in. 3 days light dutys in the kitchen and passed on the 4th day after having a re-adjustment of my attitude towards driving. Which to be fair is still with me to this day. So that Cpl did me a favour no bones broken a couple of dead legs and everything sorted.
These days though its not PC to give them a kicking round the back of the hangar.
I can remember when doing my HGV license aged 17. Did a day with the army instructor came back and got my head kicked in. 3 days light dutys in the kitchen and passed on the 4th day after having a re-adjustment of my attitude towards driving. Which to be fair is still with me to this day. So that Cpl did me a favour no bones broken a couple of dead legs and everything sorted.
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These days though its not PC to give them a kicking round the back of the hangar.
Having said that when I started gliding in my teens a good b***ocking seemed to be par for the course for any minor misdemeanour.
Your average middle aged businessman Cirrus owner might be a bit perturbed to see corporal punishment introduced as part of the Cirrus training programme though.
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Having said that when I started gliding in my teens a good b***ocking seemed to be par for the course for any minor misdemeanour.
Which of course is never their fault and they are being victimised or there was some natural phenomena which nobody else has heard of which caused the incident.
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Sorry but please cut and paste where I have used "Bastard" ? Yellow maybe or cowardly and that I stand by in the context of someone with engine failure and altitude to glide clear who blindly pulls the chute with total disregard for those on the ground below but "bastard" show me where? Please and maybe you need to apologise ?
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Sorry but please cut and paste where I have used "Bastard" ? Yellow maybe or cowardly and that I stand by in the context of someone with engine failure and altitude to glide clear who blindly pulls the chute with total disregard for those on the ground below but "bastard" show me where? Please and maybe you need to apologise ?
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Jeeze. How low does it go on PPrune? That's what you call "skygods" in the UK? People who reminisce about how being kicked through a hangar made them "real pilots"? It's pretty clear who in this thread offered facts, and who offered "opinion".
You probably know the old saying about opinions and certain body parts. If not, ask that instructor that used to kick you through the hangar
You probably know the old saying about opinions and certain body parts. If not, ask that instructor that used to kick you through the hangar
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And there hasn't been a single fact on this thread. Some inferred facts from some manipulated statistics and after that pure opinion on what should be true.
Some of us see it as a privilege to fly aircraft and others see it as a right to do so and not only that do what they want.
And that instructor first started out in the south African rifles as a 16 year old and had been teaching HGV driving for longer than I had been alive.
I am quite sure there are a few American hangers with blood on the back wall as well. More than likely a few which are freshly wet today.
Some of us see it as a privilege to fly aircraft and others see it as a right to do so and not only that do what they want.
And that instructor first started out in the south African rifles as a 16 year old and had been teaching HGV driving for longer than I had been alive.
I am quite sure there are a few American hangers with blood on the back wall as well. More than likely a few which are freshly wet today.
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It used to be called "self dicipline". I you didn't have any it was beaten into you.
Today the beater would be jailed & the un-diciplined would be compensated & receive counselling.
Edit: in answer to cheap comment since removed.
Today the beater would be jailed & the un-diciplined would be compensated & receive counselling.
Edit: in answer to cheap comment since removed.
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Pace have a look at your rather emotive post of 6th June 21:58
Looks like you missed out the letter r !
Any pilot who above a city and looses the engine while being capable of gliding clear is a selfish Basta+d Yellow bellied and incompetent if he pulls the chute with total disregard for where he comes down.
One day it will be into a childrens play ground.
One day it will be into a childrens play ground.
