Your flying tales sought for BBC One Show
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I'm with BEagle on this. The One Show is the biggest waste of air time in creation. Well respected celebrities that I/we would love to hear are given 10seconds of speak time & then ignored by the bimbo & it's mate. Utter crap. Bring back Raymond Baxter & some sense.
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And we wonder why many women find aviation to be an unwelcoming environment. Fair enough you don't like the show (nor do I) but what a childish comment.
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One would need to do this sort of thing with extreme care because the current standard of TV reporting is almost without exception abysmal.
The problem is that it is not possible to retain a right to review the finished job and object if it contains ridicule of GA.
Any any coverage of GA will be full of ridicule, especially the whole flying school environment if one is looking for sensationalism. Straightforward flying to interesting places (examples) will be just plain boring to the general viewer.
Many years ago a reasonable attempt was made with a programme called the Air Show which covered light GA among big airline etc stuff and that was fairly well done. They threw in some silly stuff when a not unattractive but implausibly nervous journalist did her PPL, with the instructor holding her hand every minute of it including talking to her on her first solo with a handheld radio to make sure she didn't crash...
The problem is that it is not possible to retain a right to review the finished job and object if it contains ridicule of GA.
Any any coverage of GA will be full of ridicule, especially the whole flying school environment if one is looking for sensationalism. Straightforward flying to interesting places (examples) will be just plain boring to the general viewer.
Many years ago a reasonable attempt was made with a programme called the Air Show which covered light GA among big airline etc stuff and that was fairly well done. They threw in some silly stuff when a not unattractive but implausibly nervous journalist did her PPL, with the instructor holding her hand every minute of it including talking to her on her first solo with a handheld radio to make sure she didn't crash...
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How about you filming a trip where I fly Joanna Lumley back to northern Norway, where we can lay under the stars and watch the Aurora Borealis. Oh and you can pay for the trip as well. 
Hmm, yes jecuk, I do seem to have been rather rude about that woman....
Sorry, post now amended and I would be grateful if you would edit yours accordingly.
Nevertheless, I still consider The One Show to be an utterly dire programme and the standard of presentation woeful. Or at least it was when I last saw it several months ago - I've avoided it ever since.
Sorry, post now amended and I would be grateful if you would edit yours accordingly.Nevertheless, I still consider The One Show to be an utterly dire programme and the standard of presentation woeful. Or at least it was when I last saw it several months ago - I've avoided it ever since.
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The One Show has a huge audience share.
I'm mystified why getting exposure for light aviation on a TV programme that more than a fifth of the TV viewing public regularly watch can be considered anything other than a good thing.
I'm mystified why getting exposure for light aviation on a TV programme that more than a fifth of the TV viewing public regularly watch can be considered anything other than a good thing.
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Well, I'd be happy to tell them all about gliding. As most of you may have noticed.....
Including snakes on planes....true!
And I'm pleased that somebody has stepped on the Beagle for being rude....
Adam Frisch points out, correctly, that "all publicity is good publicity, even bad!"
We certainly notice a surge in enquiries when a prang becomes newsworthy; however, usually when a glider goes splat, the pilot walks away. In one recent incident, he had to swim away......
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Including snakes on planes....true!
And I'm pleased that somebody has stepped on the Beagle for being rude....
Adam Frisch points out, correctly, that "all publicity is good publicity, even bad!"
We certainly notice a surge in enquiries when a prang becomes newsworthy; however, usually when a glider goes splat, the pilot walks away. In one recent incident, he had to swim away......
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I'm mystified why getting exposure for light aviation on a TV programme that more than a fifth of the TV viewing public regularly watch can be considered anything other than a good thing.
If thats OK, then fair enough (there's no such thing as bad publicity), but don't expect to like it when it comes on air.
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What a ridiculously negative view.
Of course they will feature the pilots, airfields, aircraft and flying - it would be an utterly pointless exercise otherwise.
Of course they will feature the pilots, airfields, aircraft and flying - it would be an utterly pointless exercise otherwise.
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Well, I had my five minutes of fame, when we filmed an episode of the Two Fat Ladies cookery programme. It was called the Air Race. Apparently it is still one of the most watched episodes. Globally.
What did we get, nothing really, but that was not the point. We got a really good few days flying, with lots of laughs, and a bit of excitement to watch the end result. Working with the film crews, and of course the Two ladies, was a good giggle.
Now, for about two days flying and organising, we got about 5 minutes in the programme, and that is the rub. Most of the film goes on the cutting room floor. I have no doubt this idea may well produce a similar result. But....if set out correctly prior to any filming, and whoever takes part has a say in the direction and image that the piece will take, then no harm.
Yes the prgramme is pretty dire, but tell me one decent piece of TV since the demise of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
What did we get, nothing really, but that was not the point. We got a really good few days flying, with lots of laughs, and a bit of excitement to watch the end result. Working with the film crews, and of course the Two ladies, was a good giggle.
Now, for about two days flying and organising, we got about 5 minutes in the programme, and that is the rub. Most of the film goes on the cutting room floor. I have no doubt this idea may well produce a similar result. But....if set out correctly prior to any filming, and whoever takes part has a say in the direction and image that the piece will take, then no harm.
Yes the prgramme is pretty dire, but tell me one decent piece of TV since the demise of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
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Of course they will feature the pilots, airfields, aircraft and flying - it would be an utterly pointless exercise otherwise.
...if ... ...whoever takes part has a say in the direction and image that the piece will take, then no harm.
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This has come up here before.
One could make a series based around a flying school, which would make good viewing.
The various relationships, the instructors routinely shagging female students (two of mine got students pregnant, and a 3rd had to vanish totally for years after doing something, ahem, more borderline, and is out of aviation totally now), your prebooked lessons getting bounced because a group with half the world's supply of titanium in body piercings and bags of lard hanging halfway to the floor drops in for a pleasure flight, the student getting lost and phoning in 2 hours after the fuel must have run out saying she landed on some runway in the south east but doesn't know which because there is nobody around, the old ladies spending their inheritance because they like sitting close to young virile instructors and never mind being way past 100 hours with zero chance of ever getting a PPL, the instructor getting students to fly over the instructor's house to take photos of it, the lessons where you do the NDB stuff in the plane in which the ADF works and you do the VOR stuff in the plane in which the VOR works but the ADF doesn't, the instructor doing a "pretend DME" by calling out the distance off a £50 GPS from Milletts because the DME in the plane always reads some plausible figure between 3nm and 7nm, you name it. And that is just from my 1 year hanging around the scene.
Post PPL, as an owner, the stuff you could come out with could get you evicted from the airport. Non owners have no idea what goes on.
There are some great grey-haired characters, ex cargo 747 pilots, who tell great stories about stuff they did flying illicit British arms cargo to Africa. But most of them won't talk on TV about the best of it.
Then you get the fast talking conmen who can spin a fantastic yarn about their (fake) ATPL, their (fake) flights across the world (nonstop UK to Singapore in a PA46)...
So, yeah, you could make a fun programme, along the lines of the recent KAVOS expose on TV not long ago where drunken Brits were puking and bonking and puking all over the place, but I don't think it would do GA any good unless it was done responsibly, with input by real pilots who care about GA, but there are no such guarantees in TV production. They can use your material and use it any way they like no matter what they told you beforehand.
One could make a series based around a flying school, which would make good viewing.
The various relationships, the instructors routinely shagging female students (two of mine got students pregnant, and a 3rd had to vanish totally for years after doing something, ahem, more borderline, and is out of aviation totally now), your prebooked lessons getting bounced because a group with half the world's supply of titanium in body piercings and bags of lard hanging halfway to the floor drops in for a pleasure flight, the student getting lost and phoning in 2 hours after the fuel must have run out saying she landed on some runway in the south east but doesn't know which because there is nobody around, the old ladies spending their inheritance because they like sitting close to young virile instructors and never mind being way past 100 hours with zero chance of ever getting a PPL, the instructor getting students to fly over the instructor's house to take photos of it, the lessons where you do the NDB stuff in the plane in which the ADF works and you do the VOR stuff in the plane in which the VOR works but the ADF doesn't, the instructor doing a "pretend DME" by calling out the distance off a £50 GPS from Milletts because the DME in the plane always reads some plausible figure between 3nm and 7nm, you name it. And that is just from my 1 year hanging around the scene.
Post PPL, as an owner, the stuff you could come out with could get you evicted from the airport. Non owners have no idea what goes on.
There are some great grey-haired characters, ex cargo 747 pilots, who tell great stories about stuff they did flying illicit British arms cargo to Africa. But most of them won't talk on TV about the best of it.
Then you get the fast talking conmen who can spin a fantastic yarn about their (fake) ATPL, their (fake) flights across the world (nonstop UK to Singapore in a PA46)...
So, yeah, you could make a fun programme, along the lines of the recent KAVOS expose on TV not long ago where drunken Brits were puking and bonking and puking all over the place, but I don't think it would do GA any good unless it was done responsibly, with input by real pilots who care about GA, but there are no such guarantees in TV production. They can use your material and use it any way they like no matter what they told you beforehand.
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Peter 337 - pretty much sums up the whole scene.
Now the maintenance arena. That would be the producers of Crimewatch with the CAA as advisors
Who said good old fashioned cynicism was dead
Now the maintenance arena. That would be the producers of Crimewatch with the CAA as advisors
Who said good old fashioned cynicism was dead
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Personally I like very technically detailed flight films!
There was one on the daily running of a budget airline and a flying school could be made in the same manner?
The airline one was called 'come fly with me ' or something similar !
They even had a husband and wife crew who hated each other !
Many of the staff must have been related as they all looked the same but if you want hardcore realistic aviation programmes this is the one for you
Pace
Personally I like very technically detailed flight films!
There was one on the daily running of a budget airline and a flying school could be made in the same manner?
The airline one was called 'come fly with me ' or something similar !
They even had a husband and wife crew who hated each other !
Many of the staff must have been related as they all looked the same but if you want hardcore realistic aviation programmes this is the one for you
Pace
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the instructor doing a "pretend DME" by calling out the distance off a £50 GPS from Milletts because the DME in the plane always reads some plausible figure between 3nm and 7nm
Any film along these lines would end up the same as the microlight one, painting the people involved in GA as mad eccentrics.
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That actually reminds me of my last IMC check out. In the club plane, cause it has all the IFR bells and whistles, except, the brighlty lit readouts on the King NAV/COM, and the DME read outs, were failing. So you got half of a three, which read a couple of lines, the top half of a five, you will get the picture.
Instructor states before we go, dont worry about that I will shout out what I think is the correct DME number, as you carry out your various procedure holds, and I will input the frequencies, therefore that is another load off your plate!!
It developed into true farce, when most of the fading read outs began to actually fail, and at this stage we had trouble actually inputting the approach frequency.
At one point I was stoating about the VOR hold, at 4500, not having one iota about where I was in relation to the beacon.
Make a good show that..
Instructor states before we go, dont worry about that I will shout out what I think is the correct DME number, as you carry out your various procedure holds, and I will input the frequencies, therefore that is another load off your plate!!
It developed into true farce, when most of the fading read outs began to actually fail, and at this stage we had trouble actually inputting the approach frequency.
At one point I was stoating about the VOR hold, at 4500, not having one iota about where I was in relation to the beacon.
Make a good show that..
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There was one on the daily running of a budget airline and a flying school could be made in the same manner?
The airline one was called 'come fly with me ' or something similar !
They even had a husband and wife crew who hated each other !
Many of the staff must have been related as they all looked the same but if you want hardcore realistic aviation programmes this is the one for you
Pace
The airline one was called 'come fly with me ' or something similar !
They even had a husband and wife crew who hated each other !
Many of the staff must have been related as they all looked the same but if you want hardcore realistic aviation programmes this is the one for you
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When the BBC can make a headline story out of silly tourists paying £50 for ice creams in Rome, can't you imagine what they would make of all the silly playboys in their rich boys toys??
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Bob, what you fail to have read from the original post is that they are trying to dispell the Hoo Ray Henry myth that all PPL's are multi billionairs.
They ARE looking for those who have ordinary lifestyles, and jobs, but have that passion for escaping the bonds of earth.
They ARE looking for those who have ordinary lifestyles, and jobs, but have that passion for escaping the bonds of earth.