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Learn to Fly Liverpool flying lessons North west - JAA PPL Private Pilots Licence
maxred i was figuring it out at £210 per hour (oops!!) over 50 lessons (£10500)
@200.25 over 50 its£10,012.50
club membership books medical etc £500 so £10500.50 plus, any landing fees extra, and other stuff Ive probably missed also payment for exams and ground school is not included in this which may be another £1000?, so £11500 sound about right?
Looking at the above link, if there were any places that, offer this sort of thing, that were known to be good, i may consider them thats all.
I would much rather have a decent instructor and pay a little more for it but a saving of £3000-£4500 is a share in an aircraft?
£8555.70 would get 50 hours at ACS cumbernauld not sure if landing is included but a good saving none the less.
I don't intend to cut corners, I did say safety and better training is the main thing, as my life is worth more than £3-£4k
Thanks for the advice guys
maxred i was figuring it out at £210 per hour (oops!!) over 50 lessons (£10500)
@200.25 over 50 its£10,012.50club membership books medical etc £500 so £10500.50 plus, any landing fees extra, and other stuff Ive probably missed also payment for exams and ground school is not included in this which may be another £1000?, so £11500 sound about right?
Looking at the above link, if there were any places that, offer this sort of thing, that were known to be good, i may consider them thats all.
I would much rather have a decent instructor and pay a little more for it but a saving of £3000-£4500 is a share in an aircraft?
£8555.70 would get 50 hours at ACS cumbernauld not sure if landing is included but a good saving none the less.
I don't intend to cut corners, I did say safety and better training is the main thing, as my life is worth more than £3-£4k
Thanks for the advice guys
When you compare hourly costs make sure you are comparing like for like.
Is the 'hour'
1 hour tacho
1 hours brakes off to brakes on
1 hour take off to landing
50 minutes flight time plus mandatory 10 minutes taxi time
As you can see one hour at one establishment may not be one hour at another, beware!
Is the 'hour'
1 hour tacho
1 hours brakes off to brakes on
1 hour take off to landing
50 minutes flight time plus mandatory 10 minutes taxi time
As you can see one hour at one establishment may not be one hour at another, beware!
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Thanks bingofuel i am grateful, for your input and indeed everyone Else's, on these matters, 
Glad i found it and hopefully i will someday put something back in, and automotive questions i can answer, if anyone needs some help there please ask
I have contacted via email both Prestwick Flying Club and the Prestwick Flight School and await there reply
Glad i found it and hopefully i will someday put something back in, and automotive questions i can answer, if anyone needs some help there please ask
I have contacted via email both Prestwick Flying Club and the Prestwick Flight School and await there reply
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Kenny, try this:
Hello, I'd like to buy a nice wee car. How much will it cost?
£62,500 and it's all leather.
I was looking at a Corsa for £11,750, wtf are you selling?
This is an Audi S5.
I just want a wee car!
Well, there's not a lot of room inside this one.
Nobody is going to tell you how much your training will cost, until you have passed your skills test. And even then, you will still be trying to figure out just how good your training has been, and that can't be measured in hours. You need someone who can teach you to fly, not teach you to pass the test within financial limits.
You have started out well by asking for advice, let's not dilute that by making money the prime consideration.
If you don't already have one, buy a logbook. Go and take a lesson at Prestwick (both) Cumbernauld (both) and Perth. You now have 5 hours towards your total and a range of experience on which to base your decisions.
If you want to learn in a short period of time, you need to go to a School, not a Club. You need to be able to fly and be taught when it suits you, and that's not happening on a one or two instructor, two aircraft outfit with other clients.
Trust me, I did it and suffered. Gaps of three or four months were not unusual, while the aircraft went sick the day before my instructor returned from a detachment to the Falklands. I believe I had some excellent instruction from a very experienced (thousands of hours) instructor, but only when he had the time, and an aircraft.
You should also consider the NPPL. I can't add a night or instrument rating, so I can't fly in ****ty weather. That's not holding me back from enjoying my flying and I can sit my PPL skills test later, after I pay out hundreds of pounds (a few hours of flying) for a medical (every year) instead of just asking my GP to sign a form, which he did in exchange for £25 and I took him on a jolly once I had passed.
Think about what kind of flying you will do in your first two years, if we are looking at day VFR in the UK, the NPPL will be good enough.
Hello, I'd like to buy a nice wee car. How much will it cost?
£62,500 and it's all leather.
I was looking at a Corsa for £11,750, wtf are you selling?
This is an Audi S5.
I just want a wee car!
Well, there's not a lot of room inside this one.
Nobody is going to tell you how much your training will cost, until you have passed your skills test. And even then, you will still be trying to figure out just how good your training has been, and that can't be measured in hours. You need someone who can teach you to fly, not teach you to pass the test within financial limits.
You have started out well by asking for advice, let's not dilute that by making money the prime consideration.
If you don't already have one, buy a logbook. Go and take a lesson at Prestwick (both) Cumbernauld (both) and Perth. You now have 5 hours towards your total and a range of experience on which to base your decisions.
If you want to learn in a short period of time, you need to go to a School, not a Club. You need to be able to fly and be taught when it suits you, and that's not happening on a one or two instructor, two aircraft outfit with other clients.
Trust me, I did it and suffered. Gaps of three or four months were not unusual, while the aircraft went sick the day before my instructor returned from a detachment to the Falklands. I believe I had some excellent instruction from a very experienced (thousands of hours) instructor, but only when he had the time, and an aircraft.
You should also consider the NPPL. I can't add a night or instrument rating, so I can't fly in ****ty weather. That's not holding me back from enjoying my flying and I can sit my PPL skills test later, after I pay out hundreds of pounds (a few hours of flying) for a medical (every year) instead of just asking my GP to sign a form, which he did in exchange for £25 and I took him on a jolly once I had passed.
Think about what kind of flying you will do in your first two years, if we are looking at day VFR in the UK, the NPPL will be good enough.
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Thanks air police that's some good pointers
I hadn't thought nppl dont know why, so, i can do nppl and then later, upgrade if i want, to full ppl and night flying with instrument. etc
I may still go down the 3 axis microlight route too.
I hadn't thought nppl dont know why, so, i can do nppl and then later, upgrade if i want, to full ppl and night flying with instrument. etc
I may still go down the 3 axis microlight route too.
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Hi ecosse,
I looked at doing my PPL with Border at Cumbernauld. Nice enough guys, but with only one 152 and one instructor, it would have been hard to get booked in and do the amount of flying i was looking for. Instead i went with Leading Edge up the stairs. They have two 152s at Cumbernauld and another two at their other base in Perth so booking an aircraft isn't an issue.
I really enjoyed my training with them. The instructors were good guys, many of them now good friends of mine. There is a mix of full time and part time instructors, all of whom are very accommodating so im sure you're training needs could be met fully at Leading Edge. Also, there is a good club/school vibe there. We have had some good days out recently which gives people a chance to meet other studnets and once you've got your licence, find some people to share the cost of flying with. We are heading to the tower at Edinburgh at the end of the month. And if you were looking to continue onto the CPL or FI, the Perth base offer both courses. One last thing from me, the landing fees at Prestwick are quite expensive at around £20. Cumbernauld is £12 which might balance out your fuel costs. Especially when you get into the circuit and could be doing 10+ landings at a time.
Im just giving my own personal experience of Leading edge for your consideration, i don't want to out you off going anywhere else. A few of my friends have done their PPLs at Prestwick and thoroughly enjoyed it.
I hope my experience is of some use to you.
I looked at doing my PPL with Border at Cumbernauld. Nice enough guys, but with only one 152 and one instructor, it would have been hard to get booked in and do the amount of flying i was looking for. Instead i went with Leading Edge up the stairs. They have two 152s at Cumbernauld and another two at their other base in Perth so booking an aircraft isn't an issue.
I really enjoyed my training with them. The instructors were good guys, many of them now good friends of mine. There is a mix of full time and part time instructors, all of whom are very accommodating so im sure you're training needs could be met fully at Leading Edge. Also, there is a good club/school vibe there. We have had some good days out recently which gives people a chance to meet other studnets and once you've got your licence, find some people to share the cost of flying with. We are heading to the tower at Edinburgh at the end of the month. And if you were looking to continue onto the CPL or FI, the Perth base offer both courses. One last thing from me, the landing fees at Prestwick are quite expensive at around £20. Cumbernauld is £12 which might balance out your fuel costs. Especially when you get into the circuit and could be doing 10+ landings at a time.
Im just giving my own personal experience of Leading edge for your consideration, i don't want to out you off going anywhere else. A few of my friends have done their PPLs at Prestwick and thoroughly enjoyed it.
I hope my experience is of some use to you.
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The landing fees at Prestwick for the club are indeed £8.25, and for aircraft hire the rate is calculated at flight time + 5 minutes (so no huge costs for taxying etc.!)
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I currently fly with Leading Edge and they are indeed a good bunch however, having some experience of both the outfits at prestwick, I think that your location and desire to progress quickly point at prestwick flight centre being the most likely "best fit" Do not underestimate the grind of an hour plus driving too and from the airport. Please don't think ive anything against prestwick flying club....they are about th e only true flying club ive found in the area and I would be a member if I lived closer but that informality and part time operation may not suit if you want to fly on a regular basis midweek.
PS. if you do choose leading edge, you may find it worth the extra 15 pounds per hour to fly the pa28....its just so much nicer!
PS. if you do choose leading edge, you may find it worth the extra 15 pounds per hour to fly the pa28....its just so much nicer!
