Trainee pilot lands plane without wheel
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Come on guys, he did ok for a 120 hr trainee. I think everyone is still learning until they start approaching the 500hr threshold and even then lessons/ratings/etc are still being learnt.
He walked away which is the main thing
How many of us here have seen and read the reports of multi thousand hour ATPL's F**k it up ?
He walked away which is the main thing
How many of us here have seen and read the reports of multi thousand hour ATPL's F**k it up ?
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You never stop learning to be honest.
And just because your an ATPL doesn't mean you don't sometimes pull off a truely awful landing.
And I suspect he had just started doing a bit of twin flying and left a bit of power on realised that he wasn't decending as he would in the twin, took it off and arrived.
The brake application was just panicking.
He would have proberly done alot better without some gimp on the ground nattering in his ear all the time when he was burning fuel off.
And just because your an ATPL doesn't mean you don't sometimes pull off a truely awful landing.
And I suspect he had just started doing a bit of twin flying and left a bit of power on realised that he wasn't decending as he would in the twin, took it off and arrived.
The brake application was just panicking.
He would have proberly done alot better without some gimp on the ground nattering in his ear all the time when he was burning fuel off.
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Most folks have their own particular way of flying the approach & landing, and I think you'd get the best outcome by sticking as closely as you can to what you'd usually do. For example, I tend to fly a high approach with the power almost back to idle on short final with a pronounced flare, whereas a student on an integrated course may be more accustomed to approaching at a shallower angle with more power and driving it onto the runway. The less you have to do that is different, the less you will have to think about in the heat of the moment, so perhaps it's not so much about finding the 'best' way as finding the way that will work best for you.
Watching the footage, maybe that's what this guy actually did. And he walked away from it. If he'd tried to do something which was less natural for him, the outcome might not have been so good.
This guy was training to be an airline pilot, and I sure as heck wouldn't want the handling pilot on my next holiday jet to 'revert to ab initio training' in an emergency and fly the way I fly a PA28!
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"He walked away...end of".
"What utter bollox! He'd have had to do something very stupid indeed to end up not walking away.
"What utter bollox! He'd have had to do something very stupid indeed to end up not walking away.
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at 120 hours someone gets on the radio and tells you what you should do...you won't question it.
"Question it" not as in "you're talking crap, I'm going to do something different" but as in "why are you suggesting this, why won't that work, what are the odds on such-and-such happening" and so on, until something I was happy with had been negotiated. It's the pilot's life at stake FFS, not the guy on the ground's; any pilot who doesn't understand that he has the last word in such circumstances has no business being sent solo.
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SSD, congratulations of turning this into one of the nastiest threads I've ever read on PPRuNe. I sincerely hope never to meet you in real life, let alone in the air
If I'd, by posting here, pi55ed off someone unpleasant enough to post what you posted above I'd be well chuffed.
But I haven't, of course posted anything unpleasant. You might not agree with what I posted, but if so you are always free to argue against it rather than descend to where you went with that deeply unpleasant and unsupportable observation.
You posted what you did because you get off on making nasty posts. Period.
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FWIW, no injuries, just insurance, is good enough in my book. And I don't give a hoot how perfectly or badly anyone here (including me) would land a one-wheeled plane from his armchair or who is single-wheel-aerobatic-landing-stick-and-rudder top dawg.
But I absolutely crave for a video of SSD's cat landing an airplane! With or without complete undercarriage. Cockpit footage please!
But I absolutely crave for a video of SSD's cat landing an airplane! With or without complete undercarriage. Cockpit footage please!
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Your wish is my command, Armchair. She's actually an instructor and in this vid is conducting the final minutes of a biennial review. Of course physical constraints prevent her actually manipulating the controls (which was my point if you think about it), but she knows her stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86fVoioExE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86fVoioExE4
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Knew that vid but was so far unaware that this is your cat during a flight review. Respect! Wonder whether she'd comment with "my can-opener couldn't have done it worse", too 
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http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...east-mids.html
How about some ill informed armchair analysis on this one. It hasn't been fully investigated yet or is it too close to home?
How about some ill informed armchair analysis on this one. It hasn't been fully investigated yet or is it too close to home?
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Spitfire Incident at East Mids
How about some ill informed armchair analysis on this one. It hasn't been fully investigated yet or is it too close to home?
How about some ill informed armchair analysis on this one. It hasn't been fully investigated yet or is it too close to home?
I will say it's very sad to hear of this mishap. It'll no doubt have resulted in a damaged prop and shock-loaded engine, neither of which are cheap on a Spit.
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That's good news. I was unfortunate enough to witness the fatal crash of Rolls Royce's previous Spitfire at the Woodford Air Show many years ago. Is this the same one rebuilt or a different aircraft?