Questions for an Old, Bold Pilot...
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From: fort sheridan, il
just to make sure you understand, use the POH section on SHORT FIELD LANDINGS (not over an obstacle or over an obstacle as you choose).
ALSO: if you haven't read "stick and rudder" by langweische, you are missing out on great advice on landings...in particular the method he calls the stall down landing, in which you start to reduce your speed prior tot he runway...be sure to read it and understand it before you try it.
ALSO: if you haven't read "stick and rudder" by langweische, you are missing out on great advice on landings...in particular the method he calls the stall down landing, in which you start to reduce your speed prior tot he runway...be sure to read it and understand it before you try it.
Last edited by sevenstrokeroll; 5th November 2012 at 20:39.
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From: Unna, Germany
Sevenstrokeroll wrote
That is how I learnt it in Germany, however in UK they use - I believe - the quadrant rule. Means magnetic track 0 - 89 - odd thousands. MT 90 - 179 odd thousands plus 500, MT 180 - 269 Even thousands and 270 - 359 even thousands plus 500 - at least that's what it says in my 2012 Jeppesen EG5 Chart....
point one: if you are flying at 6000' you are flying at an IFR altitude...shouldn't you be VFR at 6500' feet? (assuming youare above 3000 agl)
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From: Unna, Germany
The quadrantal rule is an IFR procedure flown on standard pressure and not a VFR procedure! There is nothing to stop you flying QNH OCAS VFR at 6000 feet
United Kingdom
VFR Cruising Levels
Flight Levels below 19500
Magnetic Track Cruising Level in Feet
000 - 089 odd thousands
090 - 179 odd thousands plus 500
180 - 269 even thousands
270 - 359 even thousands plus 500
Am I missing something? In spring I wanted to do a tour of UK, so this is something I would like to clarify.....
Last edited by Steve6443; 6th November 2012 at 10:23.
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Steve its change I belive with the EASA stuff thats come in. So the quad rule is no more its the same as everywhere else
Jepp is pretty crap for use in the UK your alot better using the CAA charts. Either scale will do depending how much detail you want.
Jepp is pretty crap for use in the UK your alot better using the CAA charts. Either scale will do depending how much detail you want.
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From: In the boot of my car!
Steve
If that is the case its a nonsense! As a VFR pilot you are not expected to fly IFR tolerances so how they expect you to fly tolerances makes no sense?
It was always the case that the quadrantle rule was for IFR flight in the UK OCAS But that was not the case for VFR.
But I am happy to be corrected
Pace
If that is the case its a nonsense! As a VFR pilot you are not expected to fly IFR tolerances so how they expect you to fly tolerances makes no sense?
It was always the case that the quadrantle rule was for IFR flight in the UK OCAS But that was not the case for VFR.
But I am happy to be corrected
Pace
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From: 18nm NE grice 28ft up
Steve its change I belive with the EASA stuff thats come in. So the quad rule is no more its the same as everywhere else
D.O.
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From: Dublin
Steve,
The Quadrangle rule in the UK was compulsory for IFR and recommended but not compulsory for VFR (and as far as I can see almost universally ignored for VFR).
The UK is transitioning to ICAO standard semi circular rule for this. I'm not sure if this happened in September or happening in December, but either way it will be in play before your trip in spring, so you must operate according to the semi-circular rule that you are familair with and which operates in the rest of Europe.
dp
The Quadrangle rule in the UK was compulsory for IFR and recommended but not compulsory for VFR (and as far as I can see almost universally ignored for VFR).
The UK is transitioning to ICAO standard semi circular rule for this. I'm not sure if this happened in September or happening in December, but either way it will be in play before your trip in spring, so you must operate according to the semi-circular rule that you are familair with and which operates in the rest of Europe.
dp
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(and as far as I can see almost universally ignored for VFR)
It's clearly useless to someone who wants to fly in the natural place, ie as high as possible but below the cloud base.
It's clearly useless to someone who wants to fly in the natural place, ie as high as possible but below the cloud base.
