££Cost of the new EASA PPL££??

[Padge]

Hi can someone help, I'm filling in the application for a Part-FCL PPL; gonna enclose a cheque but for how much?

I'm sure it doesn't say on the form. I could be going word blind, this form is a pain.

Cheers

P

[guyleedsutd]

The licence is £185 if its a new application then you need to add £6 on for the private courier service.hope this helps

[Padge]

cheers,

seems a lot, did it go up after the EASA applications came in?

[robin]

It's only £73 for a change of licence (ie from UK PPL to EASA PPL)

[Padge]

Mines a new one so I get stung for £191 like guyleedsutd said. Suppose it's a drop in the ocean when you stack it up against the cost of all the training etc. Cheaper flying from here on in!

[BEagle]

....did it go up after the EASA applications came in?

The difference is that it the PPL is now valid for life, rather than for 5 years (although you'll still need to revalidate / renew your SEP Class Rating) - so if anything, the price came down significantly.

[Padge]

Thanks for that bit of good news!

[riverrock83]

to get the value from the "horse's mouth" see
FCL Fee Calculator for holders, or applicants of UK Issued Flight Crew Licences | Pilots | Personal Licences and Training

[Shoestring Flyer]

'It's only £73 for a change of licence (ie from UK PPL to EASA PPL) '

Don't think so...

£65 for UK-EASA change + £73 for RT Licence (which only lasts 10years!!) + another £35 if you choose to fly an Annex 2 aircraft).

It is the RT licence which according to the scheme of charges only last 10years I find particularly annoying.

[robin]

£65 for UK-EASA change + £73 for RT Licence (which only lasts 10years!!) + another £35 if you choose to fly an Annex 2 aircraft).

Actually, as I understand it, if you have a non-expiring UK-PPL or an EASA PPL then that covers you for Annexe II

I hadn't realised we needed to pay for a radio licence for a UK-PPL - EASA PPL. That one is new to me. The CAA checklist indicates that radio comes under national rules, so I assume as I have a UK-PPL non-expiring licence, my radio licence will remain as it is without a 10year expiry

[Shoestring Flyer]

Robin...I would like to think you were right but I have my doubts...

If you follow the charges calculator down it asks if you are going to fly and Annexe 2 aircraft and then automatically adds £35 to the calculation.

The Radio telephony licence, is confusing because it is a Rating on your licence and you need to therefore add it (£73). Then if you look in the scheme of charges it says that a RT licence only lasts for 10years!

Confusing or what!

[riverrock83]

Thats very strange. I was under the impression that a Part-FCL licence entitles you to fly Annex 2 aircraft.

From http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2330/g-May2012_v6.pdf 1.5

1.5 The 2012 amendment of the Air navigation Order renders EASA licences with the appropriate class rating to be valid for UK-registered non-EASA aircraft within those classes; thereby avoiding the need for the holder of an EASA PPL(A) with SEP rating to also hold a national licence in order to fly an amateur-built aeroplane or a Tigermoth, for example...

The exception is for type ratings, as you can't add a type rating for a non-EASA aircraft to a Part-FCL licence so you need the piggyback national licence...


Also see http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2330/h-FAQs%20May%202012.pdf part 39.

How are they justifying the extra charge?

I'm sure there are more up to date references that someone else can find (I've not got into the ANO / Cap...

[Whopity]

I hadn't realised we needed to pay for a radio licence for a UK-PPL - EASA PPL. That one is new to me

And the rest of us. It has always been the case that the UK FRTOL is issued free to the holder of a UK flight crew licence and the application form said so. The new SRG1106 does not say so however; ORS5-269 Table 4 note 2 says

2 Except where the applicant is the holder of a licence issued by the UK CAA to act as pilot,
flight navigator or flight engineer.

So there is still no charge for a FRTOL when the applicant is either applying for, or the holder of, a UK flight crew licence.

[riverrock83]

This is cheeky:
Ratings check on a re-issued EASA Flight Crew Licence
Upon such application that would require an existing EASA Flight Crew Licence to be reissued, the applicant shall pay to the CAA a charge of £20 for all existing ratings associated with that licence to be checked for currency of validity.

Therefore to add an RT rating to a licence, it would actually cost you the extra £20 as well - so £99 rather than £79.

[Whopity]

FRTOL is not a rating!

[riverrock83]

Originally Posted by Whopity

FRTOL is not a rating!

Correct - which makes this especially cheeky.

Adding a new radio licence to your Part-FCL licence (which, to be honest, isn't a common thing to do as I suspect 99% of people will have it on there when they get their licence initially) involves the CAA re-issuing the licence.

When they re-issue a licence, they do a ratings check, costing you £20 extra...

[wb9999]

As mentioned by Whopity, there is no charge for the issue of an FRTOL where the applicant is the holder of a licence issued by the UK CAA to act as pilot,
flight navigator or flight engineer.

[riverrock83]

Fair enough - I see the note in the PDF version of the scheme of charges.

The online calculator says (and thats after telling it you have a licence) that you need to pay if you have a JAR licence, and you have to pay an additional £20 if you have an EASA licence.

Also the flow chart only mentions an exemption for initial issue of the licence.

Clear as mud, as always. Always happy to be corrected- thanks wb9999..

[wb9999]

Nothing with the CAA is clear, and the pricing is too complicated. I recently renewed an expired SEP rating (expired more than 5 years), replaced my JAR PPL with an EASA PPL and renewed my expired FRTOL. I had no idea how much I was going to cost me. I was expecting £73. I wasn't expecting to be charged for th SEP renewal, but at least the FRTOL was free.

[Maoraigh1]

Calculator

I've got £65 for convertion of a CAA lifetime to an EASA, not allowing Annex 2, but £65 + £35 if I need to fly Annex2. Or is this only if the Annex2 required a type rating?