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Old 27th Sep 2012, 22:18
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Maximum Numbers of Passengers on JAA-PPL

Evening all, Quick question, and I’ve been searching for this for a while with no solution. Now I’m aware of the passenger requirements for the PPL (3 t/os and 3 landings / 90 days) but is there a maximum amount of passengers the PPL’er is allowed to take?
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Not as far as I'm aware. For example, the Antonov AN2 takes, I think, 10-12 passengers, and can be flown on your SEP PPL.
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Perhaps 30-50 babies, if the seats were suitably modified?
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Cessna Caravan single typically configured for up to say fourteen people.
I think, though I may be wrong, that max passenger fit for aircraft below 5700kg (standard PPL limit) is nineteen.

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In theory there is no limit imposed on the basis of the licence.

However, aircraft taking more than 19 passengers will exclusively require a type rating. Although an airliner type rating could be placed on a private licence the TRTO is unlikely to accept someone for training with anything less than CPL/IR qualifications.

I wonder how a Horsa glider would fit in the EASA licencing world?
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I wonder how a Horsa glider would fit in the EASA licencing world?
Sorry Mark, it "woodn't" fit.

I've always thought a replica Hotspur (with larger windows) would make a nice passenger joy-riding glider.

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You do not require an ATP / CPL to get a type rating for use on a private aircraft which requires one .
You could have your own private DC3 in a farmers field and think how many PAX that would carry?

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John Travolta flies a 707 on a PPL. His captain's uniform is just posing on his part. I know it's an FAA PPL and not JAA but I'm not aware of any limitations on the number of passengers carried either in FAA or JAA regulations, hence you can carry as many as the largest aircraft you're type-rated to fly as PIC can carry.

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There is no limit in the privileges of an EASA PPL on aircraft size or number of passengers. In theory, at least, you could get an A380 rating and fill it up with people if you want.
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Seem to remember that when looking to add a multi-crew type rating the applicant is required to have 'valid ATPL theory eaxms'....

So whats the biggest single crew type you can fly and that might answer the question?!?!?!
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 09:42
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Off the top of my head - a Trislander, 17 pax and a pilot. Operated single crew on the Southampton - Alderney route last time I used it.
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Off the top of my head - a Trislander, 17 pax and a pilot. Operated single crew on the Southampton - Alderney route last time I used it.
Last time I was a passenger in one of those the pilot said "yeah, you could fly this, it's just like three 172s bolted together".
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Perhaps 30-50 babies, if the seats were suitably modified?
I don't know why, but that did make me laugh!
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The CAA issued a number of PPLs with a 747 type rating on them so that allows plenty of scope if the holder can afford to fill every seat.
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Really? I wonder why or who would use a 747 on a PPL!
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Yes, really. There are plenty of people in this world who have more money than sense. Enough, even, to get a 747 type rating just for the hell of it, without ever wishing to use it.
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It was a way of issuing a UK PPL to an airline pilot who had a type rating on a foreign licence. Pre JAR many were issued to Cathay pilots.
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Travolta only has SIC privileges on his 707 type rating, but he does have B-720, CL-600, EA-500s, g-1159, HS-125 and LR-JET too, plus an experimental sign-off for the Soko galeb G-2; all on an FAA private certificate.

My point about the CPL/IR is that such level of proficiency will normally be expected before you commence a type rating course.

So, yes I agree, with sufficient will and resources you can get a PPL with A380 type rating, hire a crew and fly 500 of your most intimate friends away for a weekend beano.
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However, Travolta has an IR.

You can get type ratings added to a PPL/IR, no problem.

AFAIK you don't need a CPL/IR to do jet type ratings.

It is the IR they are after, before taking you on.
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My point about the CPL/IR is that such level of proficiency will normally be expected before you commence a type rating course.
Actually, all FAA PIC type rating flight tests are conducted to ATP standards, regardless of the licence level the T/R is to be attached to.

For most advanced types, the training centre manager will want proof of total time, multi crew aircraft time, P1 time, jet time etc. if the centre's minimum times are not met, at the discression of the centre manager, you may be allowed to commence training and receive a T/R with a supervised operating experience or a SIC limitation.

Edit;

It's the aircraft insurance firms that practically set the minimums!

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