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Old 21st Sep 2012, 17:33
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Originally Posted by India Four Two
Can you tell me where to find the exemption?
Check out: CAP393.pdf - the ANO.

Page 334:
Exemptions from the low flying prohibitions - 6(g)
A glider shall be exempt from the 500 feet rule if it is hill-soaring.
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Old 21st Sep 2012, 20:23
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Glass gliders these days anything from about 9 grand up to very silly money for brand new state of the art + instruments aircraft. But for 25 grand-ish you can have something secondhand but very acceptable.

Insurance on that value will depend on pilots experience but say £800

Annual maintenance/Airworthiness review say £250

Glider trailer parking varies with club from £0 to £300 ish/year

However most gliders are shared in syndicates of 2 or 3 people so divide all the above by 3.

Gliding club annual membership very variable £200 to !!!!

Winch launch about £8 or 2000' aerotow about £35.

After that, cost per hour depends on how many hours you fly per year and per launch! (plus the cost of the gliding induced divorce - that really hurts!):
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Sorry MJ - add the cost of the hat. About £7. Its life depends on how often you use it for glider cleaning etc.

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Cost of an ASW20 like the one in the vid is currently about £20,000 to £24,000. It cost me £7,000 for a one-third share in a syndicate flying an ASW20-CL (15 metre with 16.5 metre extensions). Brilliant soaring machine with the performance of much more expensive sailplanes.

If you would like to sample a bit more glider 'porn' try this -

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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 13:03
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Or a hang-glider for £4000 new or £300 used. Club membership for £20 a year and £5 for a winch launch. A glide angle only marginally better than a spamcan, but the flyingest sort of flying I've ever experienced.
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I spent too much time admiring the bendy wings...
In which case you might like this
Passage du planeur ETA - Vidéo Dailymotion
<http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s14v_passage-du-planeur-eta_extreme>
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Or a hang-glider for £4000 new or £300 used. Club membership for £20 a year and £5 for a winch launch. A glide angle only marginally better than a spamcan, but the flyingest sort of flying I've ever experienced.
A hang glider is cheap because they forgot to include an undercarriage. I also don't fancy flying one in wave at FL120 in winter..
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Originally Posted by tggzzz
In which case you might like this
Passage du planeur ETA - Vidéo Dailymotion
<http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s14v_passage-du-planeur-eta_extreme>
You are right. Loved how one could see the wings flexing as G increased and decreased - fabulous bend as he pulled up at the end of the field. ASH25 I suspect.
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ASH25 I suspect.
...or possibly not...
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Old 25th Sep 2012, 14:34
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Oops! Missed spotting that it was a single canopy as it shot past.

It's had an exciting history:

Three etas have been manufactured. The second prototype was extensively damaged in 2003 during the spin tests required for the type certification but both pilots parachuted to safety. The prototype was repaired and the tests completed successfully.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta_(glider)

Maker's website looks very out of date as well, maybe it's no longer in production...

eta-aircraft
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A hang glider is cheap because they forgot to include an undercarriage. I also don't fancy flying one in wave at FL120 in winter..
Horses for courses... I agree with you about winter flying, but I'm considering taking it up again come this summer.

I don't see anything wrong with leaving the undercarriage off though.
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I don't see anything wrong with leaving the undercarriage off though.
The best aviation advice I was given, some 35 years ago: "Never fly anything where you risk using your ar$e for an undercarriage".
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Old 25th Sep 2012, 21:34
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That would be paragliders then, or perhaps a 35 year old hang-glider.

The pilot of a modern hang glider lies prone so things would have to go seriously wrong to end up on your ar£e. If things are going pear shaped you can elect to stay within the control-frame which offers a considerable amount of protection, and unless you're flying a competition glider you probably will have wheels either side of the base bar.

Apologies for my pedantry.
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I think I'd prefer using my rear end as an undercarriage than my b*****ks!
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Your feet were another problem for they were underneath the instrument panel.
Speak for yourself, some of us actually have problems keeping our feet cool (check my username)!



Maker's website looks very out of date as well, maybe it's no longer in production...

eta-aircraft
It actually never was, technically. It was a privately funded project, funded by some rather well-off pilots who never intended to turn it into a commercial operation. As soon as all of them had their own glider manufacturing was discontinued.
The aim of the project was to win every competition in the open-class (a.k.a. unlimited class), all the way to the World Championship. They unfortunately failed in that regard.

Here is something you can actually buy, if you have a spare half-million lying around.

Ciao,

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Old 27th Sep 2012, 22:57
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I think I'd prefer using my rear end as an undercarriage than my b*****ks!
Stop doing pelvic thrusts as you fly, and it won't be a problem.
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