Flying after a baby
Beware of daughter trauma syndrome.
As they get older and have flown the nest they do like to inflict pain on their mothers for the numerous horrors they were subjected to as a child.
Our youngest likes to detail the permanent mental anguish inflicted on her when handed the controls for a minute while mum sorted out her maps.
Apart from that she is a perfectly normal intelligent adult!!!!!!
As they get older and have flown the nest they do like to inflict pain on their mothers for the numerous horrors they were subjected to as a child.
Our youngest likes to detail the permanent mental anguish inflicted on her when handed the controls for a minute while mum sorted out her maps.
Apart from that she is a perfectly normal intelligent adult!!!!!!
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Ask your AME. Better than asking your GP or midwife as they probably don't fly.
I know you can buy special ear plugs for flying as a passenger in 2 sizes (childrens and adults) which don't block the sound but do stop pressure building up. Thats one of the dangers I think for little ones when descending (as a passenger I know as soon as a commercial jet starts its descent though not had problems as PIC or passenger in a single or twin prop aircraft) not a good idea to exert excessive pressure on eardrums; also the noise level could cause some problems to hearing (I'm also a musician) which once damaged is not repairable.
My instructor always wore ANR Bose as was terrified of any hearing loss and therefore loosing her Class 1 medical cert.
I know you can buy special ear plugs for flying as a passenger in 2 sizes (childrens and adults) which don't block the sound but do stop pressure building up. Thats one of the dangers I think for little ones when descending (as a passenger I know as soon as a commercial jet starts its descent though not had problems as PIC or passenger in a single or twin prop aircraft) not a good idea to exert excessive pressure on eardrums; also the noise level could cause some problems to hearing (I'm also a musician) which once damaged is not repairable.
My instructor always wore ANR Bose as was terrified of any hearing loss and therefore loosing her Class 1 medical cert.
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Flying after a baby
Wouldn't it be easier to just run after it, or is it a very fast baby with a huge head-start?
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FWIW I was first taken flight in a SEP at about six weeks old. This was a regular occurrence all through my life and headsets weren't worn back in those days as the radio came through the speaker and there was a handheld mic for transmissions. I don't think headsets were introduced until I was in my early to mid teens.
I am now mid thirties, with a PPL of my own and my hearing is just fine.
Don't give up, as you say, it is part of who YOU are. Just because you are a mother now, doesn't mean you have to lose your identity.
I am now mid thirties, with a PPL of my own and my hearing is just fine.
Don't give up, as you say, it is part of who YOU are. Just because you are a mother now, doesn't mean you have to lose your identity.
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Hi all, and thanks to everyone who has replied to my post!
pboyall - Yes that's just it, the worry if anything happened to me who would be there for her. I know that her father will always be there for her (god forbid), but I think that girls need a female role model in their life (which I hopefully will be).
I see that you are located in the East Midlands, just out of interest where are you based (as a pilot)? I used to live in Nottingham and regularly visited East Midlands Airport and Tollerton to do some 'spotting'!
I never thought about putting a car seat in an aircraft! It would have to be the front seat though as I normally fly C-152s.
Grob Queen - Thanks for offering your congratulations
. I do value your opinion. Before my baby came along I was not broody at all, I was totally into my flying. I just didn't know what to do if someone handed me a baby, I felt really uncomfortable around babies. In my first experience of holding my friends baby last year I 'clicked' at her, to be told by my friend's husband ... "She's not a horse"!
I've been mad about flying since I was 22 and really wanted to be an airline pilot but I wasn't from a wealthy background and was unable to get into flying through the RAF. I've spent the last few years saving up to fly and finally got there. I'm probably too old now to get into an airline but hey ho. I can still fly for fun ... not that i'm saying that airline flying isn't fun, but as i'm constantly told ... there are only so many 'night-Dalaman' flights that you can do before the 'gloss' wears off! Mind you, i'd do it tomorrow if I was given the opportunity!
It's pretty cool that you know a female fast jet pilot. I see that you are based in Lincolnshire, it's lovely over there. My Uncle lives near Netherthorpe Airfield.
Good idea of yours to suggest contacting the BWPA. Thanks for your reply!
Gertrude the Wombat - Wow that's a long time not to fly, must have been like starting again? I know what you mean though, I was really surprised when I heard how much childcare can cost.
Jxk - Not sure, I will look that up. I often wonder, from a practical point of view, how women go to the loo on long ferry flights. I'm aware of lady J's (or whatever they're called!) but it must be really awkward though ... easier for a guy!
G-FORCE3 - 'flying after a baby' ... I see what you mean! My daughter is coming on well but not able to fly yet ... and I don't think that her RT would be understood just yet, mind you, i've heard some bad RT in my time!
Thanks for offering your congratulations, I have to say I was probably more anxious about the thought of giving birth than of flying. Hopefully she'll think i'm cool but we'll see, eiether that or she'll think i'm mad!
POBJOY - I never thought about putting the car seat into the 152 ... do they have ISOFIX points?
flybymike - I wasn't thinking of taking her just yet. If I/we do take her she will have her ears suitably protected ... Baby Bose?!
mad jock - That's interesting. Cheshire Police had an Islander before they got rid of it to get a helicopter, I used to love watching it fly. I wrote to the police to ask if I could go out in the Islander but they said no. I read an article about the Islander in 'Pilot' magazine, I found it really interesting. I was amazed that for it's size that it has similar take-off and landing speeds to that a PA-28.
You must do some really interesting and challenging flying where you are?
jxc - wow its great that you took your baby up at six months. I think I know what you mean about the blanket! He must have enjoyed being in the aeroplane to fall asleep so quickly. Mind you, when I put our baby into her car-seat she doesn't like it at first but as soon as I start to drive she falls asleep. It's great to hear that you've carried on with your flying. I bet your son loves it, just the age where he's taking everything in ?
AdamFrisch - thanks for putting that video on. I watched it last night with my daughter and she was mesmerised by the video. I know she didn't understand it but she was grouchy last night and was in a 'i'm just about to kick off any minute' mood
and the video distracted her for a bit. I also enjoyed the video!
Genghis the Engineer - I went to Waddington Airshow in 2011 (fab!) and there were some very noisy fast jets, I think that one was a Tornado ... I love Tornadoes. Bear with me, im getting to the point! One thing that I was surprised about was the amount of children wearing ear protection. I can understand it to a certain point, but one of the exciting things about an Airshow is hearing how noisy the aircraft are. I remember going to Waddington when I was around 15 and there was no one wearing ear protection then. Modern times!
Peterh 337 - She will be wearing ear protection when she's old enough to come with me. I don't think that we'll be flying high enough to have to use oxygen if she flies with me. The terrain around here isn't too big around here, oh ... apart from a big lump of rock called 'Snowdon'.
Lazy eights ... aren't some aircraft prohibited from doing those?
India-Mike - Just read the link on your post, scary stuff. I guess that you just never know when your time is up. A friend gave me her 'Amelia' DVD (about Amelia Earhart), and it made me think about the fact that no matter how experienced a pilot you are, you just never know what might happen. I remember reading the sad thread about Bob Jones, who was a very experienced pilot who died flying. I think that, no matter how well prepared, how careful or how experienced you are, when it comes to flying there can be something that you don't think about which gets you (but hopefully won't
). It's like driving, you can be the safest driver in the world, but some nutter on the road around the corner might not be and take you out. You just have to hope that you're not in the wrong place at the wrong time.
My new responsibilty will make me doubly cautious now though.
24 carrot - No I don't think that your comment has come across as rude. I wouldn't want my daughter to grow up and think, 'Oh I can't do that because i'm a girl'. Things like money and medicals can stop you from flying (or whatever you want to do), but there generally is always a way of achieving your goals somehow. It's all about passion and determination.
eric ferret - I think that all parents get blamed for something whilst their children are growing up don't they ... damned if you do, damned if you don't?!
Jude098 - Yeah i've got to see my AME before flying again as my medical has elapsed now anyway.
Agaricus bisporus - Try trying to post something sensible whilst dealing with a demanding 7 week old baby!
Thanks again for eveyone's replies, to which I have replied back to. Please can the grammar/spelling police not be too hard on me if i've made any mistakes
pboyall - Yes that's just it, the worry if anything happened to me who would be there for her. I know that her father will always be there for her (god forbid), but I think that girls need a female role model in their life (which I hopefully will be).
I see that you are located in the East Midlands, just out of interest where are you based (as a pilot)? I used to live in Nottingham and regularly visited East Midlands Airport and Tollerton to do some 'spotting'!
I never thought about putting a car seat in an aircraft! It would have to be the front seat though as I normally fly C-152s.
Grob Queen - Thanks for offering your congratulations
. I do value your opinion. Before my baby came along I was not broody at all, I was totally into my flying. I just didn't know what to do if someone handed me a baby, I felt really uncomfortable around babies. In my first experience of holding my friends baby last year I 'clicked' at her, to be told by my friend's husband ... "She's not a horse"!I've been mad about flying since I was 22 and really wanted to be an airline pilot but I wasn't from a wealthy background and was unable to get into flying through the RAF. I've spent the last few years saving up to fly and finally got there. I'm probably too old now to get into an airline but hey ho. I can still fly for fun ... not that i'm saying that airline flying isn't fun, but as i'm constantly told ... there are only so many 'night-Dalaman' flights that you can do before the 'gloss' wears off! Mind you, i'd do it tomorrow if I was given the opportunity!
It's pretty cool that you know a female fast jet pilot. I see that you are based in Lincolnshire, it's lovely over there. My Uncle lives near Netherthorpe Airfield.
Good idea of yours to suggest contacting the BWPA. Thanks for your reply!
Gertrude the Wombat - Wow that's a long time not to fly, must have been like starting again? I know what you mean though, I was really surprised when I heard how much childcare can cost.
Jxk - Not sure, I will look that up. I often wonder, from a practical point of view, how women go to the loo on long ferry flights. I'm aware of lady J's (or whatever they're called!) but it must be really awkward though ... easier for a guy!
G-FORCE3 - 'flying after a baby' ... I see what you mean! My daughter is coming on well but not able to fly yet ... and I don't think that her RT would be understood just yet, mind you, i've heard some bad RT in my time!
Thanks for offering your congratulations, I have to say I was probably more anxious about the thought of giving birth than of flying. Hopefully she'll think i'm cool but we'll see, eiether that or she'll think i'm mad!
POBJOY - I never thought about putting the car seat into the 152 ... do they have ISOFIX points?
flybymike - I wasn't thinking of taking her just yet. If I/we do take her she will have her ears suitably protected ... Baby Bose?!
mad jock - That's interesting. Cheshire Police had an Islander before they got rid of it to get a helicopter, I used to love watching it fly. I wrote to the police to ask if I could go out in the Islander but they said no. I read an article about the Islander in 'Pilot' magazine, I found it really interesting. I was amazed that for it's size that it has similar take-off and landing speeds to that a PA-28.
You must do some really interesting and challenging flying where you are?
jxc - wow its great that you took your baby up at six months. I think I know what you mean about the blanket! He must have enjoyed being in the aeroplane to fall asleep so quickly. Mind you, when I put our baby into her car-seat she doesn't like it at first but as soon as I start to drive she falls asleep. It's great to hear that you've carried on with your flying. I bet your son loves it, just the age where he's taking everything in
?AdamFrisch - thanks for putting that video on. I watched it last night with my daughter and she was mesmerised by the video. I know she didn't understand it but she was grouchy last night and was in a 'i'm just about to kick off any minute' mood
and the video distracted her for a bit. I also enjoyed the video!Genghis the Engineer - I went to Waddington Airshow in 2011 (fab!) and there were some very noisy fast jets, I think that one was a Tornado ... I love Tornadoes. Bear with me, im getting to the point! One thing that I was surprised about was the amount of children wearing ear protection. I can understand it to a certain point, but one of the exciting things about an Airshow is hearing how noisy the aircraft are. I remember going to Waddington when I was around 15 and there was no one wearing ear protection then. Modern times!
Peterh 337 - She will be wearing ear protection when she's old enough to come with me. I don't think that we'll be flying high enough to have to use oxygen if she flies with me. The terrain around here isn't too big around here, oh ... apart from a big lump of rock called 'Snowdon'.
Lazy eights ... aren't some aircraft prohibited from doing those?
India-Mike - Just read the link on your post, scary stuff. I guess that you just never know when your time is up. A friend gave me her 'Amelia' DVD (about Amelia Earhart), and it made me think about the fact that no matter how experienced a pilot you are, you just never know what might happen. I remember reading the sad thread about Bob Jones, who was a very experienced pilot who died flying. I think that, no matter how well prepared, how careful or how experienced you are, when it comes to flying there can be something that you don't think about which gets you (but hopefully won't
). It's like driving, you can be the safest driver in the world, but some nutter on the road around the corner might not be and take you out. You just have to hope that you're not in the wrong place at the wrong time.My new responsibilty will make me doubly cautious now though.
24 carrot - No I don't think that your comment has come across as rude. I wouldn't want my daughter to grow up and think, 'Oh I can't do that because i'm a girl'. Things like money and medicals can stop you from flying (or whatever you want to do), but there generally is always a way of achieving your goals somehow. It's all about passion and determination.
eric ferret - I think that all parents get blamed for something whilst their children are growing up don't they ... damned if you do, damned if you don't?!
Jude098 - Yeah i've got to see my AME before flying again as my medical has elapsed now anyway.
Agaricus bisporus - Try trying to post something sensible whilst dealing with a demanding 7 week old baby!
Thanks again for eveyone's replies, to which I have replied back to. Please can the grammar/spelling police not be too hard on me if i've made any mistakes
KF,
First of all, as a high-ranking officer in the spelling brigade, I hereby solemnly declare you cleared to proceed at the present level.
That said, I think that as a pilot you can and indeed must calculate your risk and live with it and fly with it, and your offspring will have to take you for you who are. Which they generally do very well up to a certain age, when they can show splashes, sometimes violent, of resentment at whatever characteristic of their parents. I well remember my own prances when I was fourteen! But whether you take to snorkeling or to xeroxing for the local amateur theatre, if they want to beat the dog they'll surely find a stick, as we say here.
There's two sides to that medal: you are certainly at an increased risk of leaving your child short of one parent - but OTOH if all works out, as it does normally, your kid will one day boast "my mum's a pilot!" and be proud of you, and envied - enriching for both of you.
Protecting the baby's ears is a more serious matter, and your AME is the person of choice for advice. Myself would also be concerned for sudden panic - will your mother instincts prevail over your pilot automatisms?
FWIW my grandson is 16 months now, I'd much love to take him up and his parents wouldn't object, I think. But for myself I think he must be tall enough to see over the engine cowling, and grown enough to be more or less dependable, at my estimation he'd have to be 10 or so.
Above all, my grand congrats for carrying the baby, do enjoy life with her, do enjoy flying!
First of all, as a high-ranking officer in the spelling brigade, I hereby solemnly declare you cleared to proceed at the present level.
That said, I think that as a pilot you can and indeed must calculate your risk and live with it and fly with it, and your offspring will have to take you for you who are. Which they generally do very well up to a certain age, when they can show splashes, sometimes violent, of resentment at whatever characteristic of their parents. I well remember my own prances when I was fourteen! But whether you take to snorkeling or to xeroxing for the local amateur theatre, if they want to beat the dog they'll surely find a stick, as we say here.
There's two sides to that medal: you are certainly at an increased risk of leaving your child short of one parent - but OTOH if all works out, as it does normally, your kid will one day boast "my mum's a pilot!" and be proud of you, and envied - enriching for both of you.
Protecting the baby's ears is a more serious matter, and your AME is the person of choice for advice. Myself would also be concerned for sudden panic - will your mother instincts prevail over your pilot automatisms?
FWIW my grandson is 16 months now, I'd much love to take him up and his parents wouldn't object, I think. But for myself I think he must be tall enough to see over the engine cowling, and grown enough to be more or less dependable, at my estimation he'd have to be 10 or so.
Above all, my grand congrats for carrying the baby, do enjoy life with her, do enjoy flying!
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Lazy eights ... aren't some aircraft prohibited from doing those?
The L8 is a very gentle piece of flying but it makes your stomach go up in the air at the top - which is why kids love them, and many adults hate them
Even the chandelle is limited to 30 degrees pitch and roll, although it does seem a lot more aggressive.
As regards oxygen - I was using that only as an example of having to watch kids and other less responsible people, to make sure they are doing it right. You don't need oxygen for VFR anywhere in the UK, unless you are doing some kind of flight testing.
