kevkdg

Hi,

Looking at CAP804, it would seem that one can directly convert an NPPL(A)SLMG to either an 'EASA LAPL(A) TMG' or 'EASA PPL(A) TMG'.

In terms of cross crediting (grandfather rights) for me personally, I would need to do the following:

LAPL(A) TMG - Obtain the new style GP medical... that's it!

EASA PPL(A) TMG - Obtain a class 2 medical (should not be a problem). And as my supervised qualifying cross country flight for my NPPL(A) SLMG was 100 nm (not 150 nm) with two full stop landings (as required for SLMG), I guess I would need to undergo a supervised solo cross country of 150nm with 2 full stop landings - seems a pain considering I've done this many time under the privs of my NPPL license (i.e. not supervised).

What seems to be the pro's of the PPL(A) is the option to add FI ratings etc in the future, but the medicals are more expensive and more frequent. Not sure how to add SEP rating to the EASA PPL(A) TMG.

It was mentioned that the LAPL does not have class ratings, and yet you have TMG mentioned in the licence title... is this a restirction then?

Any advice as to which is the best option?

cheers

kevkdg

anyone?

Just after confirmation that I've interpreted CAP804 correctly with regards to converting an NPPL to EASA PPL TMG?

Pro's and cons of each option?

znww5

That's pretty much as I read it too, the only thing to watch is that the TMG time is in a TMG and not an SLMG.

Apart from the 150nm QXC, the PPL(SEP) course includes radio navigation hours and instrument flight (appreciation) time. I'm not sure that the two latter items are included in NPPL training, which may explain why the PPL(A) TMG only rating would apply. Originally, an NPPL holder would be credited with up to 30hrs towards the 45hrs required for a JAA PPL, so that may also explain the 'TMG only' restriction.

The only fly in the ointment is that, as far as I am aware, the LAPL does not yet exist in the real world - for example there is no reference to it on the NPPL web site - so you may have only one option at the moment in the shape of EASA PPL(A) TMG only. EASA flavour licences will only be issued after 1st July 2012 so there's some time to go before that option is available.

Unless of course somebody has more up to date information . . . . .

kevkdg

Hi,

I'm in no rush as I've had my NPPL(SLMG) for over 2 years now.

All my hours are on TMG (T61F Venture, Grob109B etc) rather than sailplanes with a retractable engine.

What was clear in the past was how to add an SSEA rating to an NPPL (i.e. differences training - no need for a skills test - instructor to sign it off in your log book - send of to NPLG with money to have rating added).

What is not clear is how this will work on the LAPL TMG or EASA PPL TMG. There does not seem to be a formal ratings system. Which is confusing me as I thought TMG was a rating and they are happy to inlcude that in the license title.

Prop swinger

Part H, Class & Type Ratings explains how to add an SEP rating to a PPL(A) TMG licence, see FCL.725 (p194).

If you decide to get an LAPL(A) TMG, FCL.135.A (p126) explains how to extend your licence privileges to an SEP.

kevkdg

Thanks chaps.

I now can see how to do it and what is required.

But, aside from the TMG rating, the only evidence of obtaining another rating will be purely your log book, where as the NPPL had SSEA, SLMG, Microlights ratings etc added to the licence etc.

WRT to NPPL recency requirements for the bi-ennual, it also stated you had to have P1 time on each rating.

For examples sake, if before 2015 I add an SSEA rating to my current NPPL(SLMG), I'll have an NPPL(A) with both SLMG and SSEA. Will this give me an LAPL(A) TMG or simply an LAPL(A) as these are the only two options.

If someone who only has an NPPL(A) SSEA, converts this to an LAPL(A) and then does differences training, skill test etc in a TMG, will they then get a LAPL(A) TMG.

I just don't get the fact that the LAPL does not supposedly have ratings on the licence, and yet it has TMG.

I would assume TMG is a restriction then, but it can't be, as simply having an LAPL(A) would not permit you to fly TMG's without the relevant training.

Prop swinger

I think that SEP & TMG are considered a class of aeroplane. You can get an LAPL(A), someone with an SSEA could also get an LAPL(A); you will both be restricted to your class of aeroplane. If you do the SSEA conversion first, your LAPL(A) will not be limited to the one class.*

There's a picture of the new licence format on p22 of this CAA document. I suppose that no.5 & possibly no.10 are where your class & type ratings/privileges will be listed.

Bizarrely, if you zoom in on no.13 there are abbreviation explanations for SSEA & SLMG, neither of which should appear on an licence "Issued in accordance with Part-FCL".

* provided that at the time of licence conversion, your SLMG & SSEA ratings are both current.