Attitude = speed control/power = pitch
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Indeed.
I'd also suggest that you need to understand Angle of Attack and its relationship to what the aircraft is doing, and which of your controls affect AoA. That understanding will help you to visualise what is going on and to make sense of it all.
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I'd also suggest that you need to understand Angle of Attack and its relationship to what the aircraft is doing, and which of your controls affect AoA. That understanding will help you to visualise what is going on and to make sense of it all.
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Disagree, get over your whole instructor is in charge listen, be a good kid...
If I can run 100m in 11.5s using my own technique and can only do 13s using the trainers technique, which technique do I choose. It's black and white, I've explained this to my instructor, I'm ill equipped to deal with reverse/opposites.
Go on say it.
EDIT: My own technique isn't even my own technique, it's a method used by many people whom have expressed that in this thread. Simply the opposite, power=speed and pitch=altitude
EGKB,
If I can run 100m in 11.5s using my own technique and can only do 13s using the trainers technique, which technique do I choose. It's black and white, I've explained this to my instructor, I'm ill equipped to deal with reverse/opposites.
Go on say it.
EDIT: My own technique isn't even my own technique, it's a method used by many people whom have expressed that in this thread. Simply the opposite, power=speed and pitch=altitude
EGKB,
EGBK, seriously old chap, you are going to take a very very long time to learn to fly if you don't accept that your instructor knows the best ways for YOU to do things. The fact that most people here seem to agree with your instructor only surely re-inforces that.
This is nothing to do with age, but does have a lot to do with experience. Your instructor has it and, as yet, you don't. In all likelihood you will initially do things less well his way, but with practice you'll do it better than you ever could your way. The same with running - your self-made technique may initially be faster, but a good coach will in time make you faster still, even if they have to change your technique to do it.
Eventually, if you get that far, you'll be introduced to "point and power" for instrument approaches. But for now, yes, your instructor is in charge, and listen to them. If most of the rest of us happen to agree with him, that's just a bonus.
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This is nothing to do with age, but does have a lot to do with experience. Your instructor has it and, as yet, you don't. In all likelihood you will initially do things less well his way, but with practice you'll do it better than you ever could your way. The same with running - your self-made technique may initially be faster, but a good coach will in time make you faster still, even if they have to change your technique to do it.
Eventually, if you get that far, you'll be introduced to "point and power" for instrument approaches. But for now, yes, your instructor is in charge, and listen to them. If most of the rest of us happen to agree with him, that's just a bonus.
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Lets agree to disagree. You're acting as though I'm rebelling against all his techniques, at the moment the only thing I can't master is power=altitude and so on, it's opposite and doesn't make sense at all. And learning to fly has nothing to do with student mentality, it's about money, so it depends it could take a while. Aiming for 4 hours a month, try to get 5/6 in on some months
Well if you've the money to take longer because your instructor doesn't trust you to do things as he's teaching them, so won't let you progress, then fair enough.
Personally I never really had that sort of spare cash back when I was doing my PPLs (or any other licence to be honest, learning's an expensive business).
As an instructor and student of various things (not just in flying) I have seen few, if any, occasions where somebody who insisted on doing it their own way learned as fast as somebody who grit their teeth and tried to do everything the instructors way.
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Personally I never really had that sort of spare cash back when I was doing my PPLs (or any other licence to be honest, learning's an expensive business).
As an instructor and student of various things (not just in flying) I have seen few, if any, occasions where somebody who insisted on doing it their own way learned as fast as somebody who grit their teeth and tried to do everything the instructors way.
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And learning to fly has nothing to do with student mentality
Right mentality and a bit of talent = 2-3 weeks ppl 45 hours.
Wrong mentality and bad attitude plus bit of talent = a year of bollocks and 100 plus hours.
Personally as I don't have to instruct if I don't want to. You would have been told to combine sex and travel to find another instructor.
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MJ - Well said, it's a two way thing as well between instructor and student. If the student tries hard to follow what the instructor advises then the instructor in turn works harder to getting the student through. If the student just wants to argue, then whats the point of some know all idiot being there in the first place.
Student pilot, a word to the wise - your instructor has the pieces of paper to prove that he can do what he says, you are only acting on hearsay and third hand info rather than personal experience. Dont waste your hour a week, listen and try to get the best out of it rather than reinventing the wheel with square corners....
PAT (power attitude trim) APT (attitude power trim) do come to mind, as does setting the speed required with the elevator and position on the runway (by climbing or decending) with the power, with adjustment of the elevator to balance the speed where you want it.
Student pilot, a word to the wise - your instructor has the pieces of paper to prove that he can do what he says, you are only acting on hearsay and third hand info rather than personal experience. Dont waste your hour a week, listen and try to get the best out of it rather than reinventing the wheel with square corners....
PAT (power attitude trim) APT (attitude power trim) do come to mind, as does setting the speed required with the elevator and position on the runway (by climbing or decending) with the power, with adjustment of the elevator to balance the speed where you want it.
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I pulled the yoke back to go higher and forward to go lower, increased power to increase speed and visa versa. That has worked for me, instructor said my app was perfect,
To demonstrate my example, I found last summer while out with the flying boat on a local lake, that I had stumbled upon the power setting that let me do it all, without a change in power at all. I could fly in water effect (like ground effect, but away from land!) a feet up at 70 MPH. Were I to push the stick to go down, the resulting contact with the water would be very not good. However, by pulling a little, the nose came up a bit, the plane slowed a little, it tried to leave water effect but could not, so it descended until I gently contacted the water in a nice landing on the step. It would not return/recover to flying in water effect again, as I had upset the balance of power, drag, and Pace's potential energy. I then ran along a little, without touching the power setting, accelerated on the step, and was able to takeoff again, and remain flying in water effect. I could repeat this as much as I wanted, until I approached shore. At all times the speed remained between 72 and 67 MPH, and the "altitude" within a three foot band, but I was not touching the power.
There's a lot more to this than what you are observing now. Rather than taking the "easy for me" way out, spend some more time perfecting the more challenging aspects of flying, in the way you are being instructed - it will make you a much better pilot.
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The instructor let me land on my first lesson, he trusts me very well. And no he wasn't following through. Personally I think you should just go a pester another newbie, I'm not claiming to be the best/perfect, I'm just stating I don't like the technique and it makes lfie harder for me, if I HAVE to learn it I WILL, if not then I won't 
I wouldn't say spare cash, it's my only cash! I usually have about £80 at the end of the month. I'd love to drive, but at my age insurance is too expensive, would make getting to the airfield a lot easier!
I wouldn't say spare cash, it's my only cash! I usually have about £80 at the end of the month. I'd love to drive, but at my age insurance is too expensive, would make getting to the airfield a lot easier!
Right mentality and a bit of talent = 2-3 weeks ppl 45 hours.
Wrong mentality and bad attitude plus bit of talent = a year of bollocks and 100 plus hours.
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EGKB,
I am not certain, you could just be a troll, alternatively you could be someone who knows everything better than anyone else. I do know one thing though - if your attitude in life is the same as your written attitude then you might have a long wait before your instructor considers you safe to go solo.
You seem to have a little knowledge about flight, do you fly anything else?
I am not certain, you could just be a troll, alternatively you could be someone who knows everything better than anyone else. I do know one thing though - if your attitude in life is the same as your written attitude then you might have a long wait before your instructor considers you safe to go solo.
You seem to have a little knowledge about flight, do you fly anything else?
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Luck? Perfect app and landing 6 times? Doubt it. Not even boasting, I love flying and I think landing is the easy part. Hardest thing for me is the exterior checks, maybe I'll memorize it at some stage, rather than going bit by bit.
Yes, so obviously if you're pulling up you're going to go slower so you add some power, why over complicate things? I don't see what the problem is? No-one is telling me what the problem is, all people are saying is "DO AS YOU SAY, OR ELSE!!! "
Yes, so obviously if you're pulling up you're going to go slower so you add some power, why over complicate things? I don't see what the problem is? No-one is telling me what the problem is, all people are saying is "DO AS YOU SAY, OR ELSE!!! "
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He thinks I'm safe, I am a very safe pilot. I still don't see how this has escolated to my attitude. My flying lessons are fantastic I have a great rapport with my instructor, and I have a great student mentality. If I don't get something I'll ask why/how it benefits me.
This has nothing to do my my attitude, I'm a direct, up front and straight to the point person, I don't like ambiguity/confusion.
And no I'm not a troll lmao :S
This has nothing to do my my attitude, I'm a direct, up front and straight to the point person, I don't like ambiguity/confusion.
And no I'm not a troll lmao :S
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The instructor let me land on my first lesson, he trusts me very well. And no he wasn't following through. Personally I think you should just go a pester another newbie, I'm not claiming to be the best/perfect, I'm just stating I don't like the technique and it makes lfie harder for me, if I HAVE to learn it I WILL, if not then I won't 
I wouldn't say spare cash, it's my only cash! I usually have about £80 at the end of the month. I'd love to drive, but at my age insurance is too expensive, would make getting to the airfield a lot easier!
I wouldn't say spare cash, it's my only cash! I usually have about £80 at the end of the month. I'd love to drive, but at my age insurance is too expensive, would make getting to the airfield a lot easier!
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If this isn't a Troll I'll eat my hair. Honestly what 80 years of flight training, between the people that have posted in this thread probably 20,000 hours of teaching people to fly and the guy doesn't listen.
Either way it's a waste of energy.
Either way it's a waste of energy.
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All the old chaps are coming out now, look what I've done.
We will see if I take 100 hours +
I'll make a thread when I go solo actually
Remember me, EGKB.
We will see if I take 100 hours +
I'll make a thread when I go solo actually
Remember me, EGKB.
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You are going to have to spend a fair bit of time later in the course flying the aircraft with the throttle closed.
Doing things the way your instructor wants now will make it a lot easier later.
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Doing things the way your instructor wants now will make it a lot easier later.
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Ahh. Someone has actually gave me a reason why it's beneficial to learn that technique from the get go, thank you.
And I guess so, guess I came off a bit big headed. I'm just confident and my confidence/forwardness has helped me get where I am today at such a young age.
And I guess so, guess I came off a bit big headed. I'm just confident and my confidence/forwardness has helped me get where I am today at such a young age.