LINTON MATZ
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: 23, Railway Cuttings, East Cheam
yet the only mid-air I can recall was the sad Pawnee / Phantom accident on a low level link route which led to the CANP system.
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: UK sometimes
Without wanting to entirely blow my anonymity on an internet forum if your beef is with Linton send me a PM and I’ll reply with numbers, e-mail address etc and your situation can be discussed appropriately to ensure that this type of occurrence isn’t repeated. Contrary to what some contributors have posted here, we (certainly at Linton) encourage dialogue and open reporting if and when necessary.
I agree some of the less experienced controllers, particularly those still on OJTI can sound as if they’d like to own the airspace in and around the MATZ but I assure you that any request (even if it might sound like an instruction) made has the best interests of not only you but the other airspace users around you at heart; some of which are very inexperienced student pilots on a very demanding course.
As an aside, to describe Linton and Leeming as very busy last week would probably be over egging it a bit but stuff was happening that made things more complicated than normal due to various exercises that were taking place (all NOTAMed). Also if you are given a Basic Service it is likely that you will NOT be positively identified despite being given a transponder code. Which is why it is important (not to mention a legal requirement) for a pilot to receive positive clearance to enter CAS (i.e. the Durham CTZ).
PS Beagle, you’re always welcome to fly up to Yorkshire, we’ll even try not to mess you around too much.
I agree some of the less experienced controllers, particularly those still on OJTI can sound as if they’d like to own the airspace in and around the MATZ but I assure you that any request (even if it might sound like an instruction) made has the best interests of not only you but the other airspace users around you at heart; some of which are very inexperienced student pilots on a very demanding course.
As an aside, to describe Linton and Leeming as very busy last week would probably be over egging it a bit but stuff was happening that made things more complicated than normal due to various exercises that were taking place (all NOTAMed). Also if you are given a Basic Service it is likely that you will NOT be positively identified despite being given a transponder code. Which is why it is important (not to mention a legal requirement) for a pilot to receive positive clearance to enter CAS (i.e. the Durham CTZ).
PS Beagle, you’re always welcome to fly up to Yorkshire, we’ll even try not to mess you around too much.
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: London
2. Mil this time. Climbing up to FL100 for hi-rot spinning I advised Brize Radar that I'd be climbing from south to north, remaining above the CTR throughout. The response was "Not above FL80!". "Sorry, I will be climbing to FL100 and this was for your information. 7000, to Stud 7, good-day!".
Probably just trying to keep you out of CAS fella.
Probably just trying to keep you out of CAS fella.
Joined: Jul 2003
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From: uk
Someone has already posted that these military atcos speak far too fast, for no reason whatsover. The number of times yeovilton has to repeat , because he yaks on too quickly is daft. SLOW down and you wont have to! No point in saying they are far too busy either, they arent.
Joined: Nov 2005
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From: Wildest Surrey
Ref iaps in class G airspace/MATZ.
You don't need to establish class D airspace to 'protect' iaps, in my opinion if ALL civil and military airfields with approved CAA/MAA iaps were given a 5nm radius ATZ sfc - 3000ft aal and present procedures for transitting ATZs were used, this would go a long way towards solving any confliction problems.
The military could add stubs if they wish, but these would be 'transparent' to civil aircraft.
You don't need to establish class D airspace to 'protect' iaps, in my opinion if ALL civil and military airfields with approved CAA/MAA iaps were given a 5nm radius ATZ sfc - 3000ft aal and present procedures for transitting ATZs were used, this would go a long way towards solving any confliction problems.
The military could add stubs if they wish, but these would be 'transparent' to civil aircraft.
Joined: May 2001
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way way to sensible cheveron.
What would it take?
A ten min meeting to decide it was sensible.
30 mins to get the NOTAMS setup.
Then get the specials sorted out that would put the ATZ into controlled airspace. Shock horror you could just reduce them to something that fits.
30 mins to get the NOTAMS setup.
Then choose a sensible time to do it ie the next time the charts get updated and job done.
What would it take?
A ten min meeting to decide it was sensible.
30 mins to get the NOTAMS setup.
Then get the specials sorted out that would put the ATZ into controlled airspace. Shock horror you could just reduce them to something that fits.
30 mins to get the NOTAMS setup.
Then choose a sensible time to do it ie the next time the charts get updated and job done.
