Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Non-Airline Forums > Private Flying
Reload this Page >

Book 5 and the IMC Rating

Wikiposts
Search
Private Flying LAA/BMAA/BGA/BPA The sheer pleasure of flight.

Book 5 and the IMC Rating

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 27th Feb 2012, 18:42
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: EGTT
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Book 5 and the IMC Rating

Hi all, I'm planning on doing my IMC rating over the next few months and have a quick question regarding Book 5. The copy I have is rather old Trevor Thom, it says it's a second edition re-print dated 1998 and I was wondering if I should buy a more recent version?

Thanks
1800ed is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2012, 18:56
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: UK,Twighlight Zone
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It's OK, the IMCr is even older!!
S-Works is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2012, 19:15
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: oxon
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Make sure to take precautions that you don't lose the will to live as the first 200 pages teach you how to scan!

I think its out of print but see if you can get hold of a copy of David Hoy's "Instrument Flying" - a bit more aimed at the IR than the IMC but has all the basics you would need

Good luck!
high wing harry is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2012, 19:17
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cambridge, England, EU
Posts: 3,443
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I did it recently with a 1980s copy. The instructor said "the instruments haven't changed, all that you'll get if you buy a new copy is that a few of the pictures will be in colour".
Gertrude the Wombat is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2012, 19:25
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,460
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I recall Book 5 being very poor. I did not use it much for the IMCR. It seems to have been put together by several different people, possibly after TT was no longer writing. I used some American IR books, and a lot of FS2000 time
peterh337 is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2012, 19:50
  #6 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: EGTT
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for the input - just thought there might have been some air law in there or RT which could have changed. Sounds like it will be a good read before bed...
1800ed is offline  
Old 28th Feb 2012, 15:38
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: N Ireland
Age: 55
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I used the TT books (2003 issue) for the PPL and they were fine.
Using Book 5 for the IMCR though I found it comparatively poor and had to supplement my knowledge in some areas by reading other sources (mostly online).
Still got through the exam though with 96%
IMC confuser helped too
IMC skills test now imminent
madgav is offline  
Old 28th Feb 2012, 20:03
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Middle England
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
1800ed

I've just finished the IMC and everyone is right about Book 5. I've PM'd you some of my thoughts.
2high2fastagain is offline  
Old 28th Feb 2012, 20:08
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Horsham
Age: 58
Posts: 74
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I bought David Hoy's "Instrument Flying" from Transair at Shoreham the other day - so it would seem to still be in print. (He doesn't take kindly to the IMC rating though!!)
beatnik is offline  
Old 29th Feb 2012, 10:06
  #10 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: EGTT
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2high2fastagain: thanks - not sure if it sent though as I haven't received anything.

It seems that the confuser/simplifier books aren't in print anymore. They're probably reluctant to do another run with the current state of things.
1800ed is offline  
Old 29th Feb 2012, 10:33
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Middle England
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sorry about that.

Takeflight posted this a few years ago. I think it's quite useful

http://www.takeflightaviation.co.uk/...urse_notes.pdf
2high2fastagain is offline  
Old 29th Feb 2012, 10:42
  #12 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: EGTT
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That does look good - thanks for sharing
1800ed is offline  
Old 29th Feb 2012, 10:59
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oxford
Posts: 2,042
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Also, if it's in print, I'd recommend 'VOR, ADF and RMI' - it helped me no end with understanding ADF tracking.

Tim
tmmorris is offline  
Old 1st Mar 2012, 09:35
  #14 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: EGTT
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Does anyone have an IMC Confuser they'd like to sell? Think they're pretty rare now.
1800ed is offline  
Old 1st Mar 2012, 10:22
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 4,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think it was the worst in the series when it was written and it hasnt improved with age.

Unfortunately I am not sure there is anything better on the market and in the present state of flux its unlikely anyone will be rushing out a new edition.

.. but I guess it is better than nothing.
Fuji Abound is offline  
Old 2nd Mar 2012, 09:01
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Middle England
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A few IMC confusers appear on ebay from time to time. I see there's been a few up for grabs in the last few weeks so you should have a look there, though one seller was having a joke at his starting price.

Not sure you are going to see any more new ones. If you trawl through the pprune archives, some prunes were saying that the author died a couple of years ago. Shame, a full IR confuser would have been nice.

There's still nothing better to consolidate your knowledge IMHO. Make sure you learn it all and then use the confusers to sharpen yourself up in preparation for the exam. The other obvious thing to do is to have a good hard look at the syllabus in Lasors. You'd be surprised how many people in all types of exams don't bother to check what they are going to be examined on.
2high2fastagain is offline  
Old 18th Mar 2012, 18:03
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Nottingham
Age: 55
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
IMC Confuser 5th edition

I just passed the IMC theory and so have but my copy of confuser on ebay.

Like all the CAA exams I found the exam tries to catch you out with the wordy questions and similar sounding answers. First learn the material and then learn exam.
strollerweb is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2012, 12:20
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Does anyone know where I can purchase an electronic (online) copy of either the IMC Confuser or the IMC Rating Question & Answer Simplifier?

Thank you in advance.
RedKnight is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2012, 20:29
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: UK
Age: 40
Posts: 211
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
IMC Confuser? I thought these were like the proverbial rocking horse stool?

Unless you have a fetish for the Confuser series (as many do) I suggest that 'Book 5' is all that is needed. I used the standard Air Pilot Publishing Air Pilots Manual 5 for the IMCr as well as PPL training and didn't have any issues with the exam(s) or understanding the theory prior to practical application of the concepts.

The IMC exam is very much like the PPL Nav exam: a load of multiple choice questions followed by a planning/plogging exercise. The only word of caution is to work your timings out and rely on them (a few 30 seconds here and there will make a 100% pass into 92% pass!).

Good luck guys!

GW
GeeWhizz is offline  
Old 27th Mar 2012, 21:09
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: surrey
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i'm finding Airquiz online quite useful

gmc
gmcflyer is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.