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Old 11th Dec 2011, 18:24
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A Cautionary Tale ?

I stumbled across this on the wonderful internet.
To say it sent a shiver down my spine would be an understatement.
I didn't realise that such fines were possible.

www.gmc-uk.org/static/documents/content/Beare-_Winter.pdf

Apologies if it's been done to death before.
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yep and there will have been another chunk of "costs" stuck on the top as well.

At least the bloke has done the decent thing and handed his license back.
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Can you unintentionally fly at 300ft over a built up area and enter class D airspace without clearance 5 times in the course of 1 flight!

Anyone have the real story behind this?
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A GP esacped a warning after he flew a plane too low over a built-up residential area without a valid pilot


..Most people would have used a ladder!
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Unreal

Quite a collection of offenses for only 30 mins flying! Bet he was glad he stuck to his guns and dodged a warning.
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I bet that if "Flying Lawyer" hadn't been made a Judge he would have got him off most of those charges. He may have found the one about not holding a valid licence a bit difficult though!

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I bet that if "Flying Lawyer" hadn't been made a Judge he would have got him off most of those charges.
Maybe - but would he have wanted to? I do not really see how so much of this would be "unintentional", criminally careless at the least for someone with a valid licence. Someone who has flouted the rules so blatantly deserve the full force of the law.

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He really was having a bad day wasn't he.

I struggle to see how he did all of that accidentally, and handing his licence back seems a little OTT: I suspect however that there may have been pressures and communication about that which aren't evident.

For flying that badly, a fine of around 4 flying hours cost doesn't seem desperately unreasonable.

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Do architects, civil engineers, I T workers, plumbers, roadsweepers get reported to their disciplinary/regulatory body if they bust airspace?
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Originally Posted by Cusco
Do architects, civil engineers, I T workers, plumbers, roadsweepers get reported to their disciplinary/regulatory body if they bust airspace?
As a chartered engineer, I'm required to report to my institutions (in my case the RAeS and the IMechE) if I've been convicted of any criminal offence. Whilst I'm aeronautical and mechanical engineer, the same would apply to a chartered civil engineer or a chartered computer engineer.

I suspect that plumbers and roadsweepers are okay.

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Do architects, civil engineers, I T workers, plumbers, roadsweepers get reported to their disciplinary/regulatory body if they bust airspace?
No, they don't and it is symptomatic of the paranoiac and obsessive over-regulation we are labouring under in this country. They have lost all sense of proportion on the medical side of things.

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QDM - yes we do, see above.

Realistically, both our professions are heavily built upon trust, and in this case the physician in question (no doctoral degree that I could see ) was not punished in any way, but he did have to report the offences.

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Genghis, my point is that this should have been dealt with at the screening process and shouldn't have resulted in a hearing. Common sense has been lost totally when it comes to medical regulation. The latest GMC proposals to regulate doctors' private lives are frightening, as far as I am concerned, and go way over the top.
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The more I think about this bizarre situation, the more I am convinced that there is a story behind this story given the drastic action of the pilot/owner/operator to ground himself.
It's useless to speculate about the cause(s) but this act deserves respect.
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Originally Posted by QDMQDMQDM
Genghis, my point is that this should have been dealt with at the screening process and shouldn't have resulted in a hearing. Common sense has been lost totally when it comes to medical regulation. The latest GMC proposals to regulate doctors' private lives are frightening, as far as I am concerned, and go way over the top.
I have to agree there - he had to report it, but the GMC didn't need to go to a hearing. There's little relationship between what he did wrong there, and his trustworthiness as a physician.

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QDMQDMQDM Wrote

Genghis, my point is that this should have been dealt with at the screening process and shouldn't have resulted in a hearing. Common sense has been lost totally when it comes to medical regulation. The latest GMC proposals to regulate doctors' private lives are frightening, as far as I am concerned, and go way over the top.
Hear hear

Another quack.
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G the E wrote

As a chartered engineer, I'm required to report to my institutions (in my case the RAeS and the IMechE) if I've been convicted of any criminal offence. Whilst I'm aeronautical and mechanical engineer, the same would apply to a chartered civil engineer or a chartered computer engineer.
But this chap wasn't convicted of anything: He was hauled over the coals in the same very public way as if he'd been sh*gging his patients.

And then merely got a wrist slap. What a waste of a tribunal.

QDMcubed is right - regulation if doctors' private lives is going in a very worrying direction.
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but the GMC didn't need to go to a hearing
Calm down chaps, it would seem they did

On 31 March the GMC wrote to you in accordance with rule 7...and advised that the Case Examiners may be minded to issue you with a warning. On 6 April 2011 you indicated you were not prepared to accept the proposed warning and wished to exercise your rights....to a hearing before the Investigation Committee
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Originally Posted by GtE
For flying that badly, a fine of around 4 flying hours cost doesn't seem desperately unreasonable.
Strewth, Genghis, what are you flying these days, that £5k* is around 4 hours cost?


(Fines = £1800+£1200+£2000)
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An unfortunate demonstration of poor airmanship, poor navigation and poor administration; but I don't understand why he's completely giving up aviation. The fact that his licence has lapsed gives him an opportunity to get some instruction to prevent him from repeating the mistakes. Something must have happened on that flight to have really shaken him up, badly.
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