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Does anybody know of anywhere or anyone renting aircraft for <£100 an hour in the south-east region? (Kent)
Me and a friend are desperate to be able to find aircraft without having to invest a large sum of money for a share, hence preferably a cheap hourly rate or a non-equity group.
My club charges about £145 all in for a C152...Solo private hire! About £165 dual inc instructor. After reading some of the posts in this thread I feel like i'm getting ripped off!
Many thanks!
Me and a friend are desperate to be able to find aircraft without having to invest a large sum of money for a share, hence preferably a cheap hourly rate or a non-equity group.
My club charges about £145 all in for a C152...Solo private hire! About £165 dual inc instructor. After reading some of the posts in this thread I feel like i'm getting ripped off!
Many thanks!
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The average solo hire UK price based on the above numbers is £131.
If you compare the running cost of a mid range Jodel which has similar performance, based on a 1/5 share, the running costs equate to about 6.5 hours flying time to break even!
Assuming a share price of £2500, if you fly 35 hours in the first year you have paid the capital cost of the share and the running costs, leaving you to save around £2500 per year thereafter!
Rod1
If you compare the running cost of a mid range Jodel which has similar performance, based on a 1/5 share, the running costs equate to about 6.5 hours flying time to break even!
Assuming a share price of £2500, if you fly 35 hours in the first year you have paid the capital cost of the share and the running costs, leaving you to save around £2500 per year thereafter!
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Originally Posted by Lew747
Does anybody know of anywhere or anyone renting aircraft for <£100 an hour in the south-east region? (Kent)
at £65/hour wet.
Even better there's no increase for dual
See: Tiger Club
OC619
Always interesting to compare a share versus renting.
Anything above about 30 hours per year, it's usually worth looking at syndicates anyhow. I have two 4-seater shares, one vintage, one very well equipped - both I'm paying on average well below most of the C152 prices quoted so far.
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Anything above about 30 hours per year, it's usually worth looking at syndicates anyhow. I have two 4-seater shares, one vintage, one very well equipped - both I'm paying on average well below most of the C152 prices quoted so far.
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That's something this thread is teaching me Ghengis - I hope to make a serious financial "go" of this flying lark once I'm PPL'd
These Tiger things look rather nice!!! How does one get "checked" on them?
These Tiger things look rather nice!!! How does one get "checked" on them?
Another reason to own a share I'm unfortunately illustrating this evening.
I'm typing this in a budget hotel room 350 miles from home, where I'm stuck with my aeroplane (of which I own 1/20th) by bad weather. Hopefully I'll fly back in the morning.
In the meantime, I sent a text message to let somebody know where the aeroplane is - and that's it. No school is losing revenue, nobody's going to bill me for the aeroplane being away longer, nobody apart from possibly one syndicate member who might want it tomorrow cares about the lack of aeroplane back at base.
So my total pressure is to do the right thing for safety, and the total financial penalty is a cheap budget hotel room for the night and another day's parking.
Okay, there are downsides to ownership as well - occasionally difficult co-owners, and sometimes trouble selling your share when you want to move on. But it does work.
6 hours flying this week, including my monthly payment since it's the start of the month, will have cost me about £97/hr.
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I'm typing this in a budget hotel room 350 miles from home, where I'm stuck with my aeroplane (of which I own 1/20th) by bad weather. Hopefully I'll fly back in the morning.
In the meantime, I sent a text message to let somebody know where the aeroplane is - and that's it. No school is losing revenue, nobody's going to bill me for the aeroplane being away longer, nobody apart from possibly one syndicate member who might want it tomorrow cares about the lack of aeroplane back at base.
So my total pressure is to do the right thing for safety, and the total financial penalty is a cheap budget hotel room for the night and another day's parking.
Okay, there are downsides to ownership as well - occasionally difficult co-owners, and sometimes trouble selling your share when you want to move on. But it does work.
6 hours flying this week, including my monthly payment since it's the start of the month, will have cost me about £97/hr.
G
Dundee!
I'll get back tomorrow I'm sure. In the meantime, it's quite a pleasant town to walk around at night, and I enjoyed my haggis supper - haven't had one of those for ages. Hard to get in Buckinghamshire.
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I'll get back tomorrow I'm sure. In the meantime, it's quite a pleasant town to walk around at night, and I enjoyed my haggis supper - haven't had one of those for ages. Hard to get in Buckinghamshire.
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Originally Posted by stitch_83
These Tiger things look rather nice!!! How does one get "checked" on them?
Unless you have a fair amount of tailwheel time the usual progression is (unless it's changed recently):
Cub checkout:
Tiger checkout:
Onto the Turbs (Druine D31 Turbulent):
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Dundee!
I'll get back tomorrow I'm sure. In the meantime, it's quite a pleasant town to walk around at night, and I enjoyed my haggis supper - haven't had one of those for ages. Hard to get in Buckinghamshire.
I'll get back tomorrow I'm sure. In the meantime, it's quite a pleasant town to walk around at night, and I enjoyed my haggis supper - haven't had one of those for ages. Hard to get in Buckinghamshire.
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Jodels
To follow up on Rod1's post, I do indeed have such a Jodel share in a fantastic group (mostly engineers....) for sale if anyone is interested. Based west of London. PM me if interested.
Hourly rates are indeed of the order of £50 wet. So, yes, fly enough and you soon break even and without all the attendant club hassles.
Turbs
And yes, you do need to check out on the Tiger before being let loose on the Turbs at the TigerClub last time I was down there.
BFA
To follow up on Rod1's post, I do indeed have such a Jodel share in a fantastic group (mostly engineers....) for sale if anyone is interested. Based west of London. PM me if interested.
Hourly rates are indeed of the order of £50 wet. So, yes, fly enough and you soon break even and without all the attendant club hassles.
Turbs
And yes, you do need to check out on the Tiger before being let loose on the Turbs at the TigerClub last time I was down there.
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Just curious are most of these times brakes off/on?
I would find airborne +15mins hard to swallow personally, unless its at a major airport. Otherwise it's a rip off. I've only seen it at one school years back when I was doing my IR and it hurt then.
I would find airborne +15mins hard to swallow personally, unless its at a major airport. Otherwise it's a rip off. I've only seen it at one school years back when I was doing my IR and it hurt then.
I know the school who do airborne + 15 minutes - that is very fair, since at that particular airport it seldom loses students money and occasionally saves them quite a bit compared to chock-to-chock
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Everyone would like cheap flying. The reality is that in the UK the on-costs and overheads of providing the average 'spamcan' type aircraft for hire and/or training have escalated out of all proportion over the last three years. If you take the unit cost of fuel/oil/maintenance/insurance/engine rundown/hangarage/parking etc etc, you will see that perhaps £145 is not such a rip-off. Try buying a C152 and renting it out for less than £100 p/h. I would be keen to see your profits.
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Crikey you guys pay a lot! I'm not from this airfield but it's a local one to give you an idea of the prices up here. Lincoln Aero Club
I was in Cambridge the other day and noticed something else rather odd too. Petrol at Sainsburys was 136.9 for unleaded, petrol at Sainsburys on the same day in Lincoln was 129.9.
I was in Cambridge the other day and noticed something else rather odd too. Petrol at Sainsburys was 136.9 for unleaded, petrol at Sainsburys on the same day in Lincoln was 129.9.
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Maybe it works time wise Ghengis, but surely 10 mins would be fair. Let's face it costs for the aircraft at the holding point are a lot less than airborne costs. That 15 minutes charge is a lot of profit, especially on short flights.