Looking for Aircraft Replacement & your Opinion
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Looking for Aircraft Replacement & your Opinion
I've been searching for quite sometime, but can not find an aircraft that will replace my Lancair IV (non-P).
My family is growing and we're looking for something as fast or faster and bigger, but without a huge jump in operating costs. To be honest, my better half also doesn't care for wearing an O2 mask for hours on end in a very small cabin. We've looked at anything from a TBM700, MU-2, turbo commander, superstar 700, etc.
Requirements: 1000nm+ w/ IFR reserve, pressurized, 4+ seats, Certified flight into known icing
Want: 300+ KTAS (zero wind), 6+ seats, initial aircraft cost less than $500K
Operating Cost: Currently my hourly cost on the LNC4 is around $190/hr at 100ish hrs/year. I'm looking at trying not to go over doubling the operating cost.
Engine(s): I don't care, single, twin, piston, turboprop, VLJ (but VLJ probably cost prohibitive)
I'm essentially looking for another airline replacement. What are your thoughts?
My family is growing and we're looking for something as fast or faster and bigger, but without a huge jump in operating costs. To be honest, my better half also doesn't care for wearing an O2 mask for hours on end in a very small cabin. We've looked at anything from a TBM700, MU-2, turbo commander, superstar 700, etc.
Requirements: 1000nm+ w/ IFR reserve, pressurized, 4+ seats, Certified flight into known icing
Want: 300+ KTAS (zero wind), 6+ seats, initial aircraft cost less than $500K
Operating Cost: Currently my hourly cost on the LNC4 is around $190/hr at 100ish hrs/year. I'm looking at trying not to go over doubling the operating cost.
Engine(s): I don't care, single, twin, piston, turboprop, VLJ (but VLJ probably cost prohibitive)
I'm essentially looking for another airline replacement. What are your thoughts?
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Within your budget you won't find a turboprop of any sort. Even a used Jetprop will come in c. $1M for a reasonable specimen.
There are some pressurised piston aircraft but you obviously are aware of them. The PA46 is one.
There are some pressurised piston aircraft but you obviously are aware of them. The PA46 is one.
You don't want much do you!
How about a King Air 90? Not 300 KTS but a lot of aeroplane.
Fits the budget, too.
Beech King Air 90 for sale on AircraftDealer.com
The operating costs you quote seem to be unrealistic, though. Turbine territory...
Good luck.
How about a King Air 90? Not 300 KTS but a lot of aeroplane.
Fits the budget, too.
Beech King Air 90 for sale on AircraftDealer.com
The operating costs you quote seem to be unrealistic, though. Turbine territory...
Good luck.
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You might be able to get a Silver Eagle turboprop. This is essentially a pressurised 210 with the Allison C20 engine. It won't do 300kts or even near that, though. But if you're willing to compromise on top speed to get turboprop it might be a good choice.
If you want blazing speed for not very much money and are willing to live with pistons, I'd get the last Piper Aerostar, the Machen-converted 702P. They'll smoke most turboprops with their 280kts max speed. Pressurised, long range, twin engine safety. Aerostars are also built with twice the thickness on the aluminium skins, so they're as sturdy as they come. There's never been an Aerostar structural failure.
If you want blazing speed for not very much money and are willing to live with pistons, I'd get the last Piper Aerostar, the Machen-converted 702P. They'll smoke most turboprops with their 280kts max speed. Pressurised, long range, twin engine safety. Aerostars are also built with twice the thickness on the aluminium skins, so they're as sturdy as they come. There's never been an Aerostar structural failure.
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@ 500 Above: HA! Yeah, I know...I guess it's more of a theoretical question, but if there is something out there... Actually, after doing some research it is the warbird era that come closest to the performance (but the cost, ugh). 
@AdamFrisch: Yes, actually I think Ted Smith's design is probably one of the better options out there. I have some time in the older 600A models, but never flew the Machen conversions. From everything I'm reading the Super 700 series is essentially twice of everything that the Lancair IV has, but at essentially the same speed up high.
@AdamFrisch: Yes, actually I think Ted Smith's design is probably one of the better options out there. I have some time in the older 600A models, but never flew the Machen conversions. From everything I'm reading the Super 700 series is essentially twice of everything that the Lancair IV has, but at essentially the same speed up high.
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'N' reg ?
probably less money but what about velocity aircraft don't they do one that is pressurised ?
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Probably save you loads of cash as well
If I am being stupid please tell me
probably less money but what about velocity aircraft don't they do one that is pressurised ?
Velocity Aircraft
Probably save you loads of cash as well
If I am being stupid please tell me
I've actually taught this on engineering degree courses - where we used those principles in an exercise to select the right aeroplane for the job (I have a quite nice case study somewhere we put together selecting a utility aeroplane for charity work in East Africa). No reason that you can't do the same to find the right aeroplane for you and your family.
It'll take few days work to do well, with a fair bit of research, determining relative priorities, and so-on, but also quite a lot of fun for an engineer who is also an aviation nut.
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500 - cheaper compared to avgas, what was I meant. It's of course not cheap by any means.
But Jet A1 is half the price compared to avgas in Europe. And avgas can't be had readily at all airports. In the US Jet A1 is more expensive than avgas. On pure fuel costs, the case can be made in Europe that a turbine is cheaper to run per hour. That can't be done in the US. There's a reason all the diesel developments are coming from Europe
But Jet A1 is half the price compared to avgas in Europe. And avgas can't be had readily at all airports. In the US Jet A1 is more expensive than avgas. On pure fuel costs, the case can be made in Europe that a turbine is cheaper to run per hour. That can't be done in the US. There's a reason all the diesel developments are coming from Europe
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690B probably comes close... one here for example
1978 COMMANDER 690B Turboprop Aircraft For Sale At Controller.com
Maintenance costs might be the killer though...
690B probably comes close... one here for example
1978 COMMANDER 690B Turboprop Aircraft For Sale At Controller.com
Maintenance costs might be the killer though...
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Commanders are a great choice. They're roomy, fast, long range and can get you into fields most turboprops wouldn't dare to even overfly. Just make sure you get the later Garrett dash 10 engines as the early ones are harder to service. The Garrett has greater TBO than any other turboprop, if I'm not mistaken. But it's a big aircraft, so you're hauling a lot of empty seats around and the associated fuel burn.
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I agree with Adam, the Silver Eagle is a clear contender to your wishlist. Ticks most of criteria but will 'only' do 200-210 ktas. There is one on aso.com for 595k which is almost within your financial criteria. Anything faster ticking the rest of your criteria, like the great Jetprop (caveat for range though), is closer to 1M as IO mentioned. Let us know if you find the holy grail...
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Jet A1 is half the price compared to avgas in Europe.
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I did not know that. Wow. Europe, huh?
Well, I have a super secret invention on the go and when that takes over the world, there won't be any possibility to screw people like they have for decades..
Well, I have a super secret invention on the go and when that takes over the world, there won't be any possibility to screw people like they have for decades..
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cheemsaf: Requirements: 1000nm+ w/ IFR reserve, pressurized, 4+ seats, Certified flight into known icing
Want: 300+ KTAS (zero wind), 6+ seats, initial aircraft cost less than $500K
Operating Cost: Currently my hourly cost on the LNC4 is around $190/hr at 100ish hrs/year. I'm looking at trying not to go over doubling the operating cost.
Engine(s): I don't care, single, twin, piston, turboprop, VLJ (but VLJ probably cost prohibitive)
Want: 300+ KTAS (zero wind), 6+ seats, initial aircraft cost less than $500K
Operating Cost: Currently my hourly cost on the LNC4 is around $190/hr at 100ish hrs/year. I'm looking at trying not to go over doubling the operating cost.
Engine(s): I don't care, single, twin, piston, turboprop, VLJ (but VLJ probably cost prohibitive)