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fly-in-spain jerez
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really thinking of booking my ppl with fly-in-spain in jerez spain.
has anyone any recent experiences from there.
air the aircraft reliable?
did you complete on time and on budget?
how much did you spend in landing fees?
what is the company like in general?
what accommodation did you choose?
from searching the last review as from 2009.
paul
really thinking of booking my ppl with fly-in-spain in jerez spain.
has anyone any recent experiences from there.
air the aircraft reliable?
did you complete on time and on budget?
how much did you spend in landing fees?
what is the company like in general?
what accommodation did you choose?
from searching the last review as from 2009.
paul
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hi Socal app.
thanks for the reply.
i have now completed all my ground school exams, have logged 10 hours. my medical flight test for my CAA medical can be done by any caa instructor prior to solo. once they are happy they complete a form and this is returned to the caa on successful completion of the ppl course.
to be honest i completely forgot i asked that question.
thanks again for your reply
thanks for the reply.
i have now completed all my ground school exams, have logged 10 hours. my medical flight test for my CAA medical can be done by any caa instructor prior to solo. once they are happy they complete a form and this is returned to the caa on successful completion of the ppl course.
to be honest i completely forgot i asked that question.
thanks again for your reply
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sorry i may have explained that wrong.
i have a simple form to be completed pre solo by any caa instructor
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i also have a medical flight test form to be completed during my flight test to be completed by a CAA examiner.
i have a simple form to be completed pre solo by any caa instructor
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i also have a medical flight test form to be completed during my flight test to be completed by a CAA examiner.
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just been looking into the landing fees. this can make a serious impact on the cost. it says on the site between €11 and €22 per landing. is the average about 150 landings?
this could add up to 3k in landing fees
this could add up to 3k in landing fees
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I used them about 11 years ago in an attempt to complete my PPL(A) training. The experience was not a good one - at that time.
I had pre-booked 4 hours per day for two weeks. On arrival the British Instructor was just leaving for two weeks holiday and the remaining instructor had far too many students requiring training. I had occasions where pilots were taken up in the rear on the plane so that they didn't feel they were being abandoned.
In the middle of the period there was a strike by the fuellers and trips to Seville were needed to refuel the aircraft.
You need a security pass to access the apron and that takes several days, and when you get it it doesn't work properly.
There are also some interesting differences in flying practice in Spain. For example they don't use QFE so you need to know airport elevation and adjust the QNH. Every flight out if Jerrez requires a flight plan to be faxed to both ATC and Security with a departure time. You have a 30 minute slot - miss it and you have to file another plan.
I did not get my training as booked and I did not complete my PPL. Returned to the UK and completed it here.
I had pre-booked 4 hours per day for two weeks. On arrival the British Instructor was just leaving for two weeks holiday and the remaining instructor had far too many students requiring training. I had occasions where pilots were taken up in the rear on the plane so that they didn't feel they were being abandoned.
In the middle of the period there was a strike by the fuellers and trips to Seville were needed to refuel the aircraft.
You need a security pass to access the apron and that takes several days, and when you get it it doesn't work properly.
There are also some interesting differences in flying practice in Spain. For example they don't use QFE so you need to know airport elevation and adjust the QNH. Every flight out if Jerrez requires a flight plan to be faxed to both ATC and Security with a departure time. You have a 30 minute slot - miss it and you have to file another plan.
I did not get my training as booked and I did not complete my PPL. Returned to the UK and completed it here.
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I looked at them recently re doing a FAA IR to JAA IR conversion there.
I got two very good references from recent customers, and I had very satisfactory communications with a Brit who is an instructor there. That's more than I have had for/from most FTOs
But that's all I can say myself. My impression is that they are well organised.
I got two very good references from recent customers, and I had very satisfactory communications with a Brit who is an instructor there. That's more than I have had for/from most FTOs
But that's all I can say myself. My impression is that they are well organised.
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The Brit instructor there has a good reputation. Re the landing fees - I would check with them directly. AENA (the people running most Spanish airports) have recently hiked their landing fees by a huge amount, BUT training flights are exempt and have a different - cheaper - price schedule. Call and ask, they must be able to provide a clear answer to that.
If you really are in two minds, why don't you just get yourself on an el-cheapo RYR to Jerez and check it out yourself?
Disclaimer: I have flown extensively in Spain, but never with them, so no first-hand experience.
If you really are in two minds, why don't you just get yourself on an el-cheapo RYR to Jerez and check it out yourself?
Disclaimer: I have flown extensively in Spain, but never with them, so no first-hand experience.
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i rang them today and the landing fees are €5.50. so for 100 landings would be €550 plus a few landings at different airfields €600 or so in landing fees
i have also shortlisted a school in the uk to start in 2 weeks time, so im going to spend the next couple of days researching before i commit
school in uk is the same price, one on one tuition no landing fees but poorer weather potentially. hard to decide
i have also shortlisted a school in the uk to start in 2 weeks time, so im going to spend the next couple of days researching before i commit
school in uk is the same price, one on one tuition no landing fees but poorer weather potentially. hard to decide
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It is a fair bet that if you start a PPL in the UK at this time of the year, you will throw away a lot of lessons.
I started in August and in Oct Nov Dec booked 7 lessons a week i.e. ~ 90 lessons and got just 3 lessons in during all those 3 months. It just rained the whole time - or strong winds.
Spain is not vastly better but it is better.
I started in August and in Oct Nov Dec booked 7 lessons a week i.e. ~ 90 lessons and got just 3 lessons in during all those 3 months. It just rained the whole time - or strong winds.
Spain is not vastly better but it is better.
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IO540 has a point. If you have/want to start within the next two weeks Spain is probably your better bet, simply for the weather. October is - usually - one of the nicest months down there.
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172driver; you are probably right. Spain will have better weather. the only thing putting me off Spain is there are some poor reviews but on the other hand there also is some good ones.
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i have now completed all my ground school exams
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When my wife learned (4 to 5 years ago) the instructors and the CFI were good and friendly (British), the owner (German) was hopeless and opinionated although he's not the CFI, just the owner and the planes were old and tired.
If you go there well prepared in terms of theory, have some buffer spare time (planes do go u/s, especially old ones) and providing you've agreed in writing what plane you will be learning on, how often etc then you can go there.
But be prepared to stand your ground, and make sure you have everything on paper to back your moral agreement up.
I had agreed for my wife to learn on a PA28 only to find on arrival someone had rented it for 2 weeks so she had to go on the Cessna, not as per agreement.
If you go there well prepared in terms of theory, have some buffer spare time (planes do go u/s, especially old ones) and providing you've agreed in writing what plane you will be learning on, how often etc then you can go there.
But be prepared to stand your ground, and make sure you have everything on paper to back your moral agreement up.
I had agreed for my wife to learn on a PA28 only to find on arrival someone had rented it for 2 weeks so she had to go on the Cessna, not as per agreement.
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DublinPilot: It is a CAA approved school so you end up with a UK CAA JAR ppl. i did my ground-school exams in the UK
VanHorck. thanks for your reply. I have heard from quite a few people who have been there and they all say exactly what you said.
Did your wife get finished in 4 weeks?
i am really torn on what to choose. the Uk is one to one instruction, a modern aircraft, mature instructor with nothing but fantastic reviews, no landing fees, as cheap as spain but the weather is the stumbling block. i only have 4 weeks off work to get it done and i cant afford to take any more time off.
VanHorck. thanks for your reply. I have heard from quite a few people who have been there and they all say exactly what you said.
Did your wife get finished in 4 weeks?
i am really torn on what to choose. the Uk is one to one instruction, a modern aircraft, mature instructor with nothing but fantastic reviews, no landing fees, as cheap as spain but the weather is the stumbling block. i only have 4 weeks off work to get it done and i cant afford to take any more time off.
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I think most planes in Spain are old and tired.... most of the privately owned GA fleet there is rotting with flat tyres.
This is the flight training business after all. It's the same everywhere, usually.
For PPL training this doesn't matter.
This is the flight training business after all. It's the same everywhere, usually.
For PPL training this doesn't matter.
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io540 thanks for your reply. does anyone who has been there previously have a contact number for the CFI or one of the brit instructors. would be nice to have a chat with them first.