Which seat in a helicopter
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Which seat in a helicopter
Ok, so maybe this should be on rotorheads, who knows, but its a question from someone who is doing a PPL, so private, right!
I am sitting here watching Alaskas toughest pilots, and noticed that the guy who flies the helicopter does so from the right seat all the time, and puts passengers in the left hand seat.
Why? Surely PIC should be in the left hand seat
IPZ
I am sitting here watching Alaskas toughest pilots, and noticed that the guy who flies the helicopter does so from the right seat all the time, and puts passengers in the left hand seat.
Why? Surely PIC should be in the left hand seat
IPZ
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Early days of fixed wing left hand circuits adopted as "norm" probably due to engine torque effects with large radials.
Aircraft carriers come along and control tower placed on starboard side to facilitate "normal" left hand circuits.
Helicopters come along, and flown off carriers. Pilot not wishing to crash into control tower, so default P1 seat right hand side.
(as discussed before on pprune)
Aircraft carriers come along and control tower placed on starboard side to facilitate "normal" left hand circuits.
Helicopters come along, and flown off carriers. Pilot not wishing to crash into control tower, so default P1 seat right hand side.
(as discussed before on pprune)
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Originally Posted by IanPZ
Surely PIC should be in the left hand seat
It's convention - nothing more. There is no reason why the PiC can't be in the RHS if an aircraft was designed that way.
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JP1, thanks for that. Makes sense.
Chilli, I know what you mean, its just that you'd sort of expect that since aviation is standardised to a greater extent across the world, so would things like where the PIC sits.
THanks all. IPZ
Chilli, I know what you mean, its just that you'd sort of expect that since aviation is standardised to a greater extent across the world, so would things like where the PIC sits.
THanks all. IPZ
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Ian Rotorheads managed 8 pages on this topic so if you want to try and find an exact answer you probably will not here:http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/504...nd-seat-2.html
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In addition to the rotorheads link offered, which is probably chock a block full of information (I have not the time to read it right now), I will offer that most helicopters are designed to be flown from a particular seat, to the exclusion of the other. This is governed by controls offered for one position, and not the other, making full control from that side not possible.
As mentioned, the cyclic used used more in flight in the right hand, so if the collective on the left is more free, that hand can tune radios etc.
However, for some roles, it is necessary for the pilot to be on the left. Sling loading is a good example of this. Leaning out over the collective is much easier, than leaning away from it out the right side. Some designs do not include enough control from the left side to enable even a design change to allow left seat flying, so in some cases, sling loading with these types requires two pilots - one with full control, and the other to fly the load.
Generally, visibility is so good, and control so good, you don't really notice differences flying one side or the other in the same way you might in fixed wing.
For reference, only a few light fixed wing types actually specify which seat (left or right) is the PIC seat. For either type, if it is a requirement, the flight manual will say so.....
As mentioned, the cyclic used used more in flight in the right hand, so if the collective on the left is more free, that hand can tune radios etc.
However, for some roles, it is necessary for the pilot to be on the left. Sling loading is a good example of this. Leaning out over the collective is much easier, than leaning away from it out the right side. Some designs do not include enough control from the left side to enable even a design change to allow left seat flying, so in some cases, sling loading with these types requires two pilots - one with full control, and the other to fly the load.
Generally, visibility is so good, and control so good, you don't really notice differences flying one side or the other in the same way you might in fixed wing.
For reference, only a few light fixed wing types actually specify which seat (left or right) is the PIC seat. For either type, if it is a requirement, the flight manual will say so.....
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I will offer that most helicopters are designed to be flown from a particular seat, to the exclusion of the other. This is governed by controls offered for one position, and not the other, making full control from that side not possible.
The Schweizer 300C is flown from the left seat so that you can get three abreast; the 300CBi from the right. I've done both but right seat is easier from point of view of access to radios, instruments etc.
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Whirls
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thanks all for the responses. Still working through the pages you linked me to in rotorheads.
Personally, I like the explanation that the first ever instructors were too frightened to change seats. I can relate to that!
Thanks a oad
IPZ
Personally, I like the explanation that the first ever instructors were too frightened to change seats. I can relate to that!
Thanks a oad
IPZ
