Garmin release new GNS430 & 530
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Garmin release new GNS430 & 530
wow . . .. . I want one of these : (just a pity that our weather options in Europe are rubbish compared with the States)
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I must give Harry Lees a call to find out 'how much' !
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I must give Harry Lees a call to find out 'how much' !
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I think it's been debated here, but still... Garmin had a display of these new touchscreen units in Friedrichschafen this year, but they were far from impressing me. Not only that I doubt how touch screen will do in moderate turbulence, since it's pretty hard to operate with the device in standstill position. Besides, I don't know why Garmin thought that aviation GPS device absolutely must use all those animations, as they appear in modern mobile phones - and even if they did think it is a must, they should have backed it up with much more powerful CPU, so it wouldn't feel as some low-cost designed (copied) in China device. I don't know, it's probably just me, but I don't want any animations when dealing with abnormal/emergency...
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"I don't know why Garmin thought that aviation GPS device absolutely must use all those animations"
As a regular user of the GNS530, which is a great piece of kit, you do have to retain a memory map of all the main and sub heading locations. It can take a lot of twiddling to get to the right place even though I know exactly when I'm heading (in terms of 'menus' anyway!). The concept of using icons seems fine to me as a means of quickly locating ever more expanding information options.
So I for one think this is the right way to go - but it will be many years before it is worth seriously comtemplating an upgrade from the 530 !
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Unless you have an N reg it will be months before GTN systems are available on G reg in UK. Not EASA approved yet, and when they are, each and every installation has its own EASA paperwork approval and fees.
Once one instalation approved on an aircraft type in 'FAA land, then all further installations covered by same approval paperwork.
Enquired about Aspen/G430 fit in C180 to EASA couple of months ago, still no reply, given up!!
Once one instalation approved on an aircraft type in 'FAA land, then all further installations covered by same approval paperwork.
Enquired about Aspen/G430 fit in C180 to EASA couple of months ago, still no reply, given up!!
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Once one instalation approved on an aircraft type in 'FAA land, then all further installations covered by same approval paperwork.
OTOH you probably don't need to as the Garmin installation manual alone will likely be adequate approved data for this GPS which doesn't exactly do very much in the way of new functionality within the aircraft systems.
What Garmin will no doubt be doing is an AML STC but EASA hates those because they reduce their income. EASA is just a gravy train, little to do with aviation or safety.
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However, and with apologies to Clint Eastwood, do you feel lucky enough to be a paying beta tester for firmware v1.000001.00001beta?
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One does wonder how much the likes of Garmin coming to the market contributed to Narco going bust the other month...
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Why shouldn't anyone feel lucky enough? What example is there of a TSO'd panel-mount GPS having a problem in it's release version that would have merited waiting a year?
The G1000 had some power supply failure problems, which were quietly sorted out while the owners kept their mouths shut because they needed warranty support.
Major QA issues with Aspen avionics. I know a chap who is on his 3rd one in a year. A big story in the USA. The company is working flat out swapping out the duff units but this is not good if you have a trip to say Greece planned, where the support will be somewhere south of nil.
The best bit is that I was even offered an install of a KFD840... major troubles with that. The KSN770 got pulled before it went anywhere, though they have now got together with, wait for it, Aspen, to fix these two.
This one however gets the top prize. 10 years on, Honeywell are still denying, to each pilot, that there is an issue. Yet the failure rate is about 100%.
Waiting for a year is a great idea.
I broke this rule and bought a Bose A20. And, wait for it, got hit by the recall. They don't say what it is, but it sounds like a reversed tant capacitor. They go "pop" after a while, sometimes in an "exciting" manner
The UK service centre is not interested so it is a Bose UK recall. The headset is still sitting on my desk waiting for the mike assembly to be collected and replaced. Luckily I have 3 x BoseX to fly with.The Garmins are nice units (saw them at EDNY) but I would not install them right now.
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wow . . .. . I want one of these : (just a pity that our weather options in Europe are rubbish compared with the States)
Garmin have the GSR56 datalink weather receiver available NOW in Europe and this will give METARs, TAFs, aviation ground weather radar etc, very similar to the XM service in the US. The system covers all of Europe, unlike the Avidyne MLX770, which doesn't have Spanish radar. In addition to the weather service, the GSR56 also provides Iridium satcom voice calls and text messaging. The GSR can display on the G500/600 EFIS (and some G1000 systems such as the Beech 200 retrofit) as well as the GTN650/750 series.
Garmin have the GSR56 datalink weather receiver available NOW in Europe and this will give METARs, TAFs, aviation ground weather radar etc, very similar to the XM service in the US. The system covers all of Europe, unlike the Avidyne MLX770, which doesn't have Spanish radar. In addition to the weather service, the GSR56 also provides Iridium satcom voice calls and text messaging. The GSR can display on the G500/600 EFIS (and some G1000 systems such as the Beech 200 retrofit) as well as the GTN650/750 series.
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Presumably Garmin use the Iridium satphone network?
I thought Avidyne did a deal with meteox.com, but that doesn't show any radar data south of the Alps, and the early MLX770 brochures I saw showed the same missing coverage.
What is the cost structure of the Garmin product? I have repeatedly tried to find this out for the MLX770 but totally without success and even the (few) people I know who have it installed don't know what it costs.
I do know that Iridium data is eye wateringly pricey, partly due to the high /minute cost and partly due to the very very slow data rate of 2400 bits/sec so you pay for a lot of minutes. 2400bps is OK for text, and OK for radar as a background activity but it will be pricey unless Garmin do some kind of a special deal with Iridium.
I thought Avidyne did a deal with meteox.com, but that doesn't show any radar data south of the Alps, and the early MLX770 brochures I saw showed the same missing coverage.
What is the cost structure of the Garmin product? I have repeatedly tried to find this out for the MLX770 but totally without success and even the (few) people I know who have it installed don't know what it costs.
I do know that Iridium data is eye wateringly pricey, partly due to the high /minute cost and partly due to the very very slow data rate of 2400 bits/sec so you pay for a lot of minutes. 2400bps is OK for text, and OK for radar as a background activity but it will be pricey unless Garmin do some kind of a special deal with Iridium.
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GSR56 costs
The GSR56 is going to be about US $9.4K retail, plus installation costs. Annual subscription for weather and voice services is US $1200, and data rates are based on useage time, not data size. Typical voice calls are US $1.30 minte, and typical weather received every 15 minutes for a 100NM corridor along your route will cost around $8/hr. All subscription and call charges are billed through Garmin - no separate charges back to Iridium.
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Blimey IO540, you've had to put up with a lot from your AP - is there no way you can replace it with something that works without paying for a new one or involving lawyers?
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Annual subscription for weather and voice services is US $1200
Put a Jepp sub for Europe on top of that...
Blimey IO540, you've had to put up with a lot from your AP
Honeywell just keep telling each individual owner they are not aware of a problem. Of course they won't say that to me because they know they can't (well they said exactly that to me at Friedrichshafen, but they said they are aware of problems only on my specific aircraft type
- a classic corporate bull procedure).There is a huge level of arrogance among avionics manufacturers, which I find particularly distasteful. And they get away with it because anybody who washes his dirty washing on the internet gets cut off from manufacturer and dealer support (as I well know) so most people keep their mouths shut. They also do that in case they want to sell their plane, of course
