Wikiposts
Search
Private Flying LAA/BMAA/BGA/BPA The sheer pleasure of flight.

i-phone 4

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 30th Apr 2011, 19:24
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: High seas
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i-phone 4

Have searched, but inconclusive.

I have finally relented and bought an i-phone (4). I fly in europe, what is the best app for euro vfr charts? It will only be a back up, but could be useful.
There seem to be some very good apps, but just for the US.
Anyone advise?
Squeegee Longtail is offline  
Old 1st May 2011, 00:24
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Yeovil, UK
Age: 42
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Air Navigation Pro. Available on the APP Store.
dan_vector is offline  
Old 1st May 2011, 06:45
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: -11`
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Agree. AirNav Pro is the best. Especially on an iPad
seat 0A is offline  
Old 1st May 2011, 09:05
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: EuroGA.org
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That doesn't run the real VFR charts.

An embedded worldwide database with more than 12000 navigation waypoints and 42000 airfields. Database includes frequency and runway information for most waypoints

What is the database like, accuracy-wise?
IO540 is offline  
Old 1st May 2011, 09:46
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sth Bucks UK
Age: 60
Posts: 927
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Apparently it will run the VFR charts if you pay for and download them.
I've used this app in Switzerland and found it to be excellent, but was disappointed to find (post purchase) that UK VFR charts were not available at that time. I haven't looked recently to see if that situation has changed.
stickandrudderman is offline  
Old 1st May 2011, 10:01
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: EuroGA.org
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I would be a little suprised if the UK ones worked since currently Memory Map has a commercial monopoly on these by the CAA, and from 2010 onwards they are encrypted so cannot be imported into some other format.

The only way to run them is to scan the paper maps but there is no way to do that legally.

Maybe MM will license them out but I have not seen this happening widely so presumably they want too much for it.

All that a 3rd party app like this could do to facilitate running the UK charts is to run a TIFF or similar graphic file, with a separate (or embedded e.g. GeoTIFF) georeferencing data, but the user would then be stuck with getting the map scanned by a bureau with an A0 scanner, which probably costs a packet.

The best solution is Oziexplorer (whose mapping community has loads of scanned aviation charts) but I don't think they have an Iphone app out yet. They are talking about it.
IO540 is offline  
Old 1st May 2011, 10:19
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have this app on my iPad and have downloaded the southern caa chart (£15.99). This is a one of the better apps for the UK, but still has a few bug. I would still draw lines on the chart and follow a paper plog.
chrisPPL is offline  
Old 1st May 2011, 10:50
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: these mist covered mountains are a home now for me.
Posts: 1,785
Received 29 Likes on 12 Posts
Obviously only useful as a backup.

Getting lost because your iPad battery went flat just won't cut it.
Runaway Gun is offline  
Old 1st May 2011, 11:32
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: EuroGA.org
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Getting lost because you forgot to wind up the stopwatch won't cut it either.

The only thing which might "cut it" is if Stansted moved by 10 miles, in the middle of the night, and they didn't tell anybody
I would still draw lines on the chart and follow a paper plog.
I don't think MM is any good for flight planning. It is a very nice moving map app which shows at a glance where you are, and shows the airspace quite well.

One can do crude planning with it, by drawing tracks, but it is a real hack. I fly VFR using an ex-Navbox plog, and run the MM moving map just as belt and braces, or if doing an un-planned bimble.
IO540 is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2011, 15:25
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Air Navigation Pro

Ive found this to be v useful, have the CAA south of england chart which cost another 18quid, running in the background on a standard windscreen mount for a car, for doublechecking airspace and such, and as a back up when, as IO says, you're on an unplanned bimble.

does anyone know how to make it show your track onscreen while flying? i have it set to show predicted track, but cant make it show where ive been.
monkeyscribbler is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2011, 18:07
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Yeovil, UK
Age: 42
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
+1

+1 for Air Nav Pro. Been using it for a while with the downloadable CAA southern chart. Works well and it seems to have a bi monthly airspace update via the app store app update function.

I didn't like memory map personally for reasons mentioned in IO's post and others.
dan_vector is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2011, 19:12
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: EuroGA.org
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Must warn you though... without GSM assistance (i.e. at any altitude) the GPS in the Iphone and Ipad is very flakey.

I was flying the other day with an Ipad2 and it had a fix for a few mins, then it lost it. No warning of any signal loss, either, in MM. A totally dumb implementation, and very dangerous.
IO540 is offline  
Old 16th Aug 2011, 12:35
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
have to say im on an iphone 3gs and ive had no problems with the gps signal while flying a pa28
monkeyscribbler is offline  
Old 16th Aug 2011, 12:38
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 563
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
currently Memory Map has a commercial monopoly on these by the CAA, and from 2010 onwards they are encrypted so cannot be imported into some other format.
Not an exclusive contract. Airbox is another sat nav product which legally uses the digital versions of CAA maps.
soaringhigh650 is offline  
Old 16th Aug 2011, 20:47
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: EuroGA.org
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes; nowadays there is more than one.

But they are all copy protected nowadays, which is a PITA.

Do they get the raster files from MM or from the CAA?
IO540 is offline  
Old 17th Aug 2011, 09:46
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: in the mist
Posts: 563
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sod that, just use it for playing angry birds and use a paper chart.
TheGorrilla is offline  
Old 17th Aug 2011, 11:29
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: dublin, ireland
Posts: 66
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
veering slightly off, what about Android apps? Galaxy S II screen is approaching the limit for a pocket sized device...
hhobbit is offline  
Old 17th Aug 2011, 12:53
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: EuroGA.org
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think all smartphones have long exceeded the limit of a pocket sized device

That's why I am sticking with my Nokia E51.
IO540 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.