Maneuvers to practice during solo
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Well, if I were an instructor I would probably not feel very comfortable if my student went up and practiced solo stalls first thing...
But maybe I'm being overly cautious...
But maybe I'm being overly cautious...
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practiced solo stalls
During flight training, this is reinforced a few times by actually doing stalls and an instructor will not let you solo before you've shown that you can recognise a stall and execute a proper recovery. Likewise, during the flight test, and various subsequent checks after that, you'll be asked to demonstrate a stall recovery too.
But further than that, there's not a lot that you can practice about them. You cannot get "better" at stalls, perform them more accurately than the next pilot, or do them quicker or slower.
So I question the whole idea about "practicing" stalls, whether solo or dual, once you've shown that you can recognise a stall and recover from that.
There's a lot of stuff that you really can improve in, and some of these have been mentioned before. Rolling in and out of steep turns, slow/fast flight and transitions between them, landings, accurate heading/altitude keeping and so forth. Heck, even taxiing on the yellow line is a challenge sometimes. These are the ones that you can always strife for perfection for, and can really benefit from practicing.
(Edited: Not to say that you shouldn't be doing stalls whatsoever. Some people think stalls are fun, so if you want to do stalls for that reason, fine with me. In fact, in that case you should probably sign up for an Unusual Attitudes/Introduction to Aerobatics class. I'm just questioning the learning objective for doing stalls beyond the initial stall awareness/recovery stage.)
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During my flight instruction, the club CFI told me that stall, spin, crash and burn was something I should practice solo.
Seriously though - becoming familiar with slow speed fight, incipient spins, wing drops at stalls, the back end of the lift/drag curve is very important. Do this by opposite rudder, and steering into the wing drop with the stick to reattach the airflow. Practice, practice, practice to minimize height loss. As a glider pilot, I find it's best to develop the right technique by keeping the throttle at idle during this. In real lfe situation - open the tap as well.
It is also very satisfying to practice high rate turns at constant altitude. Keep a good look out, and enjoy the kick of flying through your own slipstream. 360s and figure 8 turns both work well.
Seriously though - becoming familiar with slow speed fight, incipient spins, wing drops at stalls, the back end of the lift/drag curve is very important. Do this by opposite rudder, and steering into the wing drop with the stick to reattach the airflow. Practice, practice, practice to minimize height loss. As a glider pilot, I find it's best to develop the right technique by keeping the throttle at idle during this. In real lfe situation - open the tap as well.
It is also very satisfying to practice high rate turns at constant altitude. Keep a good look out, and enjoy the kick of flying through your own slipstream. 360s and figure 8 turns both work well.
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CISTRS: "Do this by opposite rudder, and steering into the wing drop with the stick to reattach the airflow" This sounds like a way to turn the plane upside down 
I believe it is more important to stop the yaw developing with rudder to stop the incipient spin. The wing can be leveled later.
Perhaps other more experienced pilots would like to comment -I'm not an instructor.
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I believe it is more important to stop the yaw developing with rudder to stop the incipient spin. The wing can be leveled later.Perhaps other more experienced pilots would like to comment -I'm not an instructor.
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You are right moreflaps that exercise is the imfamous keep it in the stall tap dancing on the rudder pedals which the CAA in the uk has been trying to stamp out for some years now.
The only thing that should be taught in the stall or very near near it is to reduce the angle of attack and then return to safe flight. All this faffing around with exercises just instills the idea that there are other things to do and it is normal to be back at this very dirty side of the drag curve.
The only thing that should be taught in the stall or very near near it is to reduce the angle of attack and then return to safe flight. All this faffing around with exercises just instills the idea that there are other things to do and it is normal to be back at this very dirty side of the drag curve.
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I've just read the G-FORS report...
The instructor had almost no time on type.
I started my PPL training on the dreaded PA38 and spent a lot of time doing fully developed stalls where the rudder was used to keep the wings level. Usually the LH wing would drop, and quite rapidly.
It was fun and eventually I was doing it really well but it was quite pointless.
If you spin on the base to final turn you are dead anyway, and you should never get anywhere near a stall never mind a spin in any other phase of flight except possibly wind shear.
The instructor had almost no time on type.
I started my PPL training on the dreaded PA38 and spent a lot of time doing fully developed stalls where the rudder was used to keep the wings level. Usually the LH wing would drop, and quite rapidly.
It was fun and eventually I was doing it really well but it was quite pointless.
If you spin on the base to final turn you are dead anyway, and you should never get anywhere near a stall never mind a spin in any other phase of flight except possibly wind shear.
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Mad_J, I was more concerned with the suggestion to use the stick to turn into the direction of the wing drop. (I've done falling leaf type things with rudder but never using aileron). I haven't snap rolled, but stalling one wing and throwing the aileron over would seem to me to be a way to snap the aircraft upside down.
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or you could go and get the important stuff practised like.
Trimming
Different speeds, different configurations, and moving between them climbing and decending and straight and level.
Know what attitudes/power settings to select for what you want to do.
Boring you might think but if you get good at it the rest of the exercise become a piece of piss.
Trimming
Different speeds, different configurations, and moving between them climbing and decending and straight and level.
Know what attitudes/power settings to select for what you want to do.
Boring you might think but if you get good at it the rest of the exercise become a piece of piss.
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Or possibly very late and violent avoiding action?
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I have snapped rolled?? (proberly mis use of snap rolled) over in a steep turn.
Well I say I did the FII did. Steep turn and pulled to the buffet then used the aileron we went over the top into a proper spin in a C152 quite similar to a PA38 spin. So much of a proper spin the POH recovery method did not work and only the application of power saved the day.
The FII was abit shaken by it as well.
Well I say I did the FII did. Steep turn and pulled to the buffet then used the aileron we went over the top into a proper spin in a C152 quite similar to a PA38 spin. So much of a proper spin the POH recovery method did not work and only the application of power saved the day.
The FII was abit shaken by it as well.
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Or possibly very late and violent avoiding action?
I think that, in cruise, you would probably pull the wings off a typical spamcan if you did that aggressively enough. But the plane is not going to spin off. Maybe it's possible but I have never heard of it happening at cruise speeds.
Or possibly very late and violent avoiding action?
I think that, in cruise, you would probably pull the wings off a typical spamcan if you did that aggressively enough. But the plane is not going to spin off. Maybe it's possible but I have never heard of it happening at cruise speeds.
The only time he ever unintentionally departed.
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Maneuver is the correct spelling in the OP's country.
Maneuver - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Maneuver is the correct spelling in the OP's country.
Maneuver - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
