JAA IR(A) Learning Objectives
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JAA IR(A) Learning Objectives
I know it's more applicable to the commercial side of the house, but there seem to be a few experts on here when it comes to European regulation!
Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the learning objectives for the flying side (as opposed to theoretical knowledge) of the JAA IR(A) (similar to page 2-D-7 onwards of this document for the CPL(A))? The corresponding document (Sec 2 Subpart E) on the CAA website just contains a solitary page with an example IR(A) Skills Test report form...
Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the learning objectives for the flying side (as opposed to theoretical knowledge) of the JAA IR(A) (similar to page 2-D-7 onwards of this document for the CPL(A))? The corresponding document (Sec 2 Subpart E) on the CAA website just contains a solitary page with an example IR(A) Skills Test report form...
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Really? That's surprisingly flexible! I was hoping for a definitive list of 'stuff JAA deem necessary to learn to be issued an IR(A)'; I suspect that was wishful thinking given the variance in IFR strategies and regulation across Europe.
Does that mean there's no standard list of competencies required for the initial issue of an IR(A) in JAA-land then?
Does that mean there's no standard list of competencies required for the initial issue of an IR(A) in JAA-land then?
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As far as I am aware that is the case.
I wrote ours by extracting the content from the skill test and creating learning objective from it that met CAA approval. There is not really that much to cover is there!
ADF/NDB
VOR
Airways Entry/Exit
Holds
Approaches
Aircraft Handling
I wrote ours by extracting the content from the skill test and creating learning objective from it that met CAA approval. There is not really that much to cover is there!
ADF/NDB
VOR
Airways Entry/Exit
Holds
Approaches
Aircraft Handling
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So what do they spend 50/55 hours doing in the cockpit?
A half competent IMCR holder will know this stuff already, but he gets zero credit.
Only an ICAO IR holder gets some credit. But even he has to endure the mind numbing utter bull***t of the 7 IR exams which are less than 5% relevant to any kind of flying.
What is the name of "your" FTO, bose-x? I'd like to do my JAA IR there. It sounds even easier than that new setup in Albania.
A half competent IMCR holder will know this stuff already, but he gets zero credit.
Only an ICAO IR holder gets some credit. But even he has to endure the mind numbing utter bull***t of the 7 IR exams which are less than 5% relevant to any kind of flying.
What is the name of "your" FTO, bose-x? I'd like to do my JAA IR there. It sounds even easier than that new setup in Albania.
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The learning objectives are here.
Personally I hate minimum hours syllabi with a vengeance. Make the pass standard clear and non-negotiable, and let pilots and FTOs sort out between themselves how to reach that point. This is whether it's a PPL, CPL or IR.
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Personally I hate minimum hours syllabi with a vengeance. Make the pass standard clear and non-negotiable, and let pilots and FTOs sort out between themselves how to reach that point. This is whether it's a PPL, CPL or IR.
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G, I have that as well. What I was after was the JAA list of required competencies (as in JAR-FCL 1 Section 2 and the AMC) for someone to be issued an IR(A). The skills test guidance is useful, but not what I'm after...
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I have just worked out where bose-x's "FTO" is located. It is at that secret airport in Albania, which is shown only on pre-1998 USAF ONC charts (my G3 one shows it). The giveaway is that long straight taxiway which goes into the bunker in the hills which minimises time spent in the open, on the ground. Absolute discretion is important in any business which wishes to deviate from European standards.
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As far as I am aware there is not one. Oh, dejavu!
Each FTO creates a training course that they believe will meet the objective of the candidate passing the final skill test and submits it for approval.
Each FTO creates a training course that they believe will meet the objective of the candidate passing the final skill test and submits it for approval.
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I have just worked out where bose-x's "FTO" is located. It is at that secret airport in Albania, which is shown only on pre-1998 USAF ONC charts (my G3 one shows it). The giveaway is that long straight taxiway which goes into the bunker in the hills which minimises time spent in the open, on the ground. Absolute discretion is important in any business which wishes to deviate from European standards.
UK FTO-966 if you really need to know!
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Anonystude,
This is maybe the official documentation you're after.
http://www.jaa.nl/publications/jars/607069.pdf
Check appendixes 1 to jar-fcl 1.205 flight instruction IR(A) and appendix 1 & 2 to jar-fcl 1.210 skill test IR(A). All this starts on page 1-E-4.
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This is maybe the official documentation you're after.
http://www.jaa.nl/publications/jars/607069.pdf
Check appendixes 1 to jar-fcl 1.205 flight instruction IR(A) and appendix 1 & 2 to jar-fcl 1.210 skill test IR(A). All this starts on page 1-E-4.
/G