VFR flight to North Africa
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For Spain use the Jeppesen ones, the Spanish ones are crap. The Morocco ones are almost impossible to find outside the country. Get WACs and copy the route(s) off at Tangiers. Here's a link to a Moroccan GA site. Good luck.
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and here is a link to the AIS Service de l'Information Aéronautique du Maroc
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A great big thank you to all of you who have thus far provided me with incredible amounts of information and support! It'll take some time for me to go through everything you've pm'd me and written on here, but i'm sure i'll have more questions to follow!
In the mean time i've created a provisional fundraising page for you all to follow and be kept up to date with. I'm yet to properly release it to possible fundraisers as i'm waiting until i've got the whole thing planned and set in stone - but feel free to help, support, and donate :-). I've got a few corporate sponsors lined up so hopefully we'll all be able to rally together to hit my target!
I'll be writing up a blog and possibly a website for this and future fundraising flights.
Again thank you all very much!
Kindest regards,
Felix.
In the mean time i've created a provisional fundraising page for you all to follow and be kept up to date with. I'm yet to properly release it to possible fundraisers as i'm waiting until i've got the whole thing planned and set in stone - but feel free to help, support, and donate :-). I've got a few corporate sponsors lined up so hopefully we'll all be able to rally together to hit my target!
I'll be writing up a blog and possibly a website for this and future fundraising flights.
Again thank you all very much!
Kindest regards,
Felix.
Last edited by Felix Saddler; 18th Nov 2011 at 12:07.
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Did it happen ?
I'm just wondering if you flew this in the end ? If so, what route did you go ? I'm thinking of something similar. A rough, course grain, view on SkyDemon suggests (roughly):
4h to North coast of Spain
4h to South coast of Spain
4h to Morocco.
So that's 6 days in total, 2 pilots with stopovers should be able to do it.
My main worry:
1. French AIS / RT
2. Spanish AIS / RT
3. Working out if I can leave from one airfield to another country
4h to North coast of Spain
4h to South coast of Spain
4h to Morocco.
So that's 6 days in total, 2 pilots with stopovers should be able to do it.
My main worry:
1. French AIS / RT
2. Spanish AIS / RT
3. Working out if I can leave from one airfield to another country
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ATC at International airports (ones with Customs) is supposed to speak English.
It is only if you rely on the Schengen concession, or do non-border-crossing flights, that you can end up at airports where ATC genuinely does not speak English, and then you have to know enough of the local language to get by.
That's the choice you make in aviation... same as you make when you go to Country X for a holiday and walk into a shop and ask for 3 bananas
Worth a mention that even if ATC speaks English, there is NO obligation for any ground workers to do so and this can sometimes result in "interesting" situations I recall phoning up Pamplona re avgas availability and after spelling alpha victor golf alpha sierra about 5 times I gave up and flew elsewhere.
Regarding working out which airports can be used, basically it comes down to Schengen or non-Sch, and of non- then you need Customs. This is quite a good free site for airport data. Personally, I contact every foreign airport I fly to, unless it is a known well organised H24 one e.g. Prague.
I have some notes on this - sent.
It is only if you rely on the Schengen concession, or do non-border-crossing flights, that you can end up at airports where ATC genuinely does not speak English, and then you have to know enough of the local language to get by.
That's the choice you make in aviation... same as you make when you go to Country X for a holiday and walk into a shop and ask for 3 bananas
Worth a mention that even if ATC speaks English, there is NO obligation for any ground workers to do so and this can sometimes result in "interesting" situations
I recall phoning up Pamplona re avgas availability and after spelling alpha victor golf alpha sierra about 5 times I gave up and flew elsewhere.Regarding working out which airports can be used, basically it comes down to Schengen or non-Sch, and of non- then you need Customs. This is quite a good free site for airport data. Personally, I contact every foreign airport I fly to, unless it is a known well organised H24 one e.g. Prague.
I have some notes on this - sent.
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Interesting
Thanks for the info. How do you know you'll be received by an airfield though ? It wouldn't cross my mind that I could get into Prague, I thought it'd be a similar gig to LHR. I.e. technically possible, but realistically I'd never meet the requirements ? Thanks for the notes BTW.
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Apart from Heathrow and London City, and Malaga which bans VFR on some days, and no doubt others I don't know about, you can fly VFR or IFR to any airport in Europe.
Gatwick is 24hrs PPR and ~£500; similarly with Luton, Stansted, Frankfurt, Munich, etc, etc. But you "can" just fly there. All the big ones are "mandatory handling" and you just get a super smooth handling agent (used to doing bizjets at £1000 a pop) who sorts everything out - unlike the airport admin dept which is often run by total morons. This is, Sir, how aviation is supposed to work Check out Harrods Handling at Luton. And it does work. Very slick, usually. The handling agent will, if appropriate, bribe the airport manager to lubricate the PPR and find parking... (Italy, Greece). They even hand you tafs/metars before you depart
Then you have loads of £200 airports. Prague is getting that way. I paid that in Tirana. Athens. Aberdeen...
Then you have loads of £100 airports; too many to start to mention.
We all know the £50 ones: Bournemouth, Norwich, etc.
But you can fly to all of these. Just costs money, and sometimes PPR.
The UK is quite unusual with LHR and LCY in the total GA ban.
Gatwick is 24hrs PPR and ~£500; similarly with Luton, Stansted, Frankfurt, Munich, etc, etc. But you "can" just fly there. All the big ones are "mandatory handling" and you just get a super smooth handling agent (used to doing bizjets at £1000 a pop) who sorts everything out - unlike the airport admin dept which is often run by total morons. This is, Sir, how aviation is supposed to work
Check out Harrods Handling at Luton. And it does work. Very slick, usually. The handling agent will, if appropriate, bribe the airport manager to lubricate the PPR and find parking... (Italy, Greece). They even hand you tafs/metars before you depart Then you have loads of £200 airports. Prague is getting that way. I paid that in Tirana. Athens. Aberdeen...
Then you have loads of £100 airports; too many to start to mention.
We all know the £50 ones: Bournemouth, Norwich, etc.
But you can fly to all of these. Just costs money, and sometimes PPR.
The UK is quite unusual with LHR and LCY in the total GA ban.
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Bossy's VFR France chart, direct from publisher (paypal possible) :
Editerra - Cartographie - SIG - Cartes Internet / Cartography - GIS - Internet Maps
paper charts, CD rom, downloading (téléchargement), paper chart +downloading, Delage French airfields plates ....
Editerra - Cartographie - SIG - Cartes Internet / Cartography - GIS - Internet Maps
paper charts, CD rom, downloading (téléchargement), paper chart +downloading, Delage French airfields plates ....
We use Tiger Aviation Services in Egypt. Have also used ZAS there. Tiger are pretty good and will arrange all clearances. Be advised if you intend to visit Alexandria, tie downs for light aircraft are not available. Seen a few light aircraft come unstuck that way. Never let the handling agent away from the aircraft until ATC verify the FPL! Maybe the poster above me would be better for light aircraft, we only take a biz jet in there.
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Update
For those of you wondering how it went... it didn't, or hasn't just yet.
It's been re-scheduled for spring 2012 and information can be found on my website: Africa 12
For some reason pprune doesn't allow me to directly link it to here so just visit the link above and view the blog.
Thanks,
Felix.
It's been re-scheduled for spring 2012 and information can be found on my website: Africa 12
For some reason pprune doesn't allow me to directly link it to here so just visit the link above and view the blog.
Thanks,
Felix.
...either before (although your plans look fairly under control), or if you hit a problem during your trip, then don't hesitate to get in touch.
We have a lot of contacts across the continent.
Fly safe, Sam.
We have a lot of contacts across the continent.
Fly safe, Sam.
