Byebye EASA hello FAA
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Of course 
But my opinion, or a belief that I heard something, or even me saying that a top EASA official told me something, is worth only what you are paying for it.
What matters is the overt posture of the EU as seen by US politicians. Most of them look only at "major vote swaying" issues (same as here).
Which does not mean I will just sit there. As of today I am 20kg heavier and £1000 lighter
But my opinion, or a belief that I heard something, or even me saying that a top EASA official told me something, is worth only what you are paying for it.
What matters is the overt posture of the EU as seen by US politicians. Most of them look only at "major vote swaying" issues (same as here).
Which does not mean I will just sit there. As of today I am 20kg heavier and £1000 lighter
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Actually I think you'll find EASA are going the other way as IO says - Aircraft registration not a problem, but EU resident must hold an EU licence to operate it.
Quite how you define "operator", "resident" and "established" is still a mystery and I suspect the lawyers are utterly clueless. Having been welcomed on board "This AAA Airways flight to ABC operated by BBB Airways on behalf of CCC Airways" it's clear to me that the whole thing resembles the entance to an old coaching inn, designed to allow the passage of a coach and horses.
Any N Reg is by definition US owned (typically by a trust). Quite how they propose to prevent that trust being the operator is something I don't quite follow.
Of course for an AOC flight they have no problem, the "operator" will be the holder of the AOC under which the flight is being operated.
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I agree with Mike above.
It really does hang on the definitions, and we haven't seen those at all. Not a hint, not a clue (that I have heard).
And as I have written, it isn't going to be easy to come up with clear definitions which catch any significant part of the foreign reg fleet - not least because it will be trivial to set up a 100% bona fide non EU operator for much of it (though not for ordinary private owners like myself).
Assuming the EU is driving this to genuinely screw the FRA fleet (rather than to p1ss off the USA into signing some treaty; a tactic which might work with Upper Volta but is unlikely to work with the USA) they will fail in screwing the most provocative part of it which is the upper end of it.
It really does hang on the definitions, and we haven't seen those at all. Not a hint, not a clue (that I have heard).
And as I have written, it isn't going to be easy to come up with clear definitions which catch any significant part of the foreign reg fleet - not least because it will be trivial to set up a 100% bona fide non EU operator for much of it (though not for ordinary private owners like myself).
Assuming the EU is driving this to genuinely screw the FRA fleet (rather than to p1ss off the USA into signing some treaty; a tactic which might work with Upper Volta but is unlikely to work with the USA) they will fail in screwing the most provocative part of it which is the upper end of it.
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I have this great moneymaking idea for nations:
Talk to the people at the registry in Isle Of Man for instance, make them accept all aircrafts as registrants regardless of where they live. Let the aircrafts on the registry be serviced to both EASA and FAA and or any ICAO compliant standard. Let them be flown by anyone with an ICAO standard pilots license. Charge $1000 a year for it. Make billions.
Talk to the people at the registry in Isle Of Man for instance, make them accept all aircrafts as registrants regardless of where they live. Let the aircrafts on the registry be serviced to both EASA and FAA and or any ICAO compliant standard. Let them be flown by anyone with an ICAO standard pilots license. Charge $1000 a year for it. Make billions.
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I wish Andorra, Liechtenstein, San Marino, jersey, Gibraltar, monaco would do such thing and accept all ICAO licenses (mechanics and pilots).
The pity of the isle of man is that they don't accept small aircraft, and it would have to be at least a king-air size aircraft. I think it will also be more than a thousand euros a year!
Still for me only FAA works out.
N-Registration cost 5 usd!
Trust 200 euro/ year.
Insurance 560 euro/ year.
FAA doesn't charge you like the EU. How much does is cost anyway to register nowadays in Europe? Surely it's more that 5 euros.
The pity of the isle of man is that they don't accept small aircraft, and it would have to be at least a king-air size aircraft. I think it will also be more than a thousand euros a year!
Still for me only FAA works out.
N-Registration cost 5 usd!
Trust 200 euro/ year.
Insurance 560 euro/ year.
FAA doesn't charge you like the EU. How much does is cost anyway to register nowadays in Europe? Surely it's more that 5 euros.
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M-reg would not protect a straightforward private owner unless he actually lives on the IOM.
San Marino is a new registry which, like the IOM, accepts FAA certification and FCL, but I don't think this helps. I can't see they can issue JAR-FCL papers. Also they are pricey - 15k euros initial charge. But it does give you a Denmark-like VAT advantage, although at the 15k up front hit it is even more expensive than that Danish lawyer
However, all it will take is for one EU country to convert ICAO papers into its own, post-2012, and that will solve the problem. It will p1ss off EASA but whether anything happens will depend on what sanctions they can apply. Also they won't find out for a while. Ireland used to convert FAA ATPLs into Irish JAR-FCL ones, for (I am told) about 3 years before that was shut down.
San Marino is a new registry which, like the IOM, accepts FAA certification and FCL, but I don't think this helps. I can't see they can issue JAR-FCL papers. Also they are pricey - 15k euros initial charge. But it does give you a Denmark-like VAT advantage, although at the 15k up front hit it is even more expensive than that Danish lawyer
However, all it will take is for one EU country to convert ICAO papers into its own, post-2012, and that will solve the problem. It will p1ss off EASA but whether anything happens will depend on what sanctions they can apply. Also they won't find out for a while. Ireland used to convert FAA ATPLs into Irish JAR-FCL ones, for (I am told) about 3 years before that was shut down.
